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al Qaeda is in Iraq...
« on: March 01, 2008, 12:40:44 PM »
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SHRED  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Mar-01-08 12:01 PM
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al Qaeda is in Iraq...   Updated at 11:25 AM
   
...because the USA is there.
USA leaves and the locals will hunt them down and kick them out.

Obama should have pointed this out in his response to McCain.


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AL Queda are the ones murdering the Iraqis you idiot.

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Warpy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Mar-01-08 12:11 PM
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2. I'd be surprised if there were more than a dozen
   
bin Laden trained operatives there. What they're calling al Qaeda in Iraq are a bunch of Saudi hotheads who have crossed the border to help their Sunni brothers battle the apostate Shi'a and infidel US.

You bet the Iraqis will hunt them down once we're gone. They don't want any part of a Saudi type system. Saddam was a thug, but he still gave them a small taste of personal freedom, something they don't want to give up. The Saudis are foreigners and will be expelled or worse.

I think the US is underestimating the national identity they managed to achieve under Saddam. Sunni and Shi'a will never like each other, but they will tolerate each other in the name of being able to go about their business without outside interference. The same goes at the family and tribal level. They know that 3 very weak countries are more likely to be prey than one stronger country would be.

Oh, I don't presume to understand the country much better than the administration has. It's just a huge, complicated situation among a group of minority populations cobbled together by the well meaning but totally hamfisted British Empire out of the ruins the Ottomans left, a hundred times more complicated than any outsider can possibly understand.

However, I know they don't want us there and the only chance they have at escaping continuing slaughter is for us to leave.
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Saddam was tyrant who murdered and tortured his own people you moron.

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judy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Mar-01-08 12:13 PM
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3. There are many things that Obama could have said in response...
   
Shred is right, however.
Also, neither Obama nor Hillary mention the way to get out of Iraq:

1 - Pull all the profiteers and foreign contractors, give the Iraqi back their jobs and the responsibility of reconstruction (with the US paying of course, but without KBR etc. it will be 1000 times cheaper. Like $100,000 to rebuild a bridge instead of 5 Million).
2 - THEN, pull all the troops out. They don't have to protect the contractors anymore. And of course, Blackwater and Co will have been pulled on stage 1.
3 - Make a deal whereas if Iraq stays united, oil reserves will be nationalized and the profits from the sale of crude to multinationals will benefit every Iraqi citizen.
4 - Decide then, what to do with the giant embassy and close down the 14 military bases, turn them into hospitals.

Something like that...Kucinich came the closest. But no Iraq solution will work without the above, which we have control over. The rest, as Shred says will work itself out. Al Qaeda, whatever it really is (certainly not what we are told it is) will not stay in a country at peace.

My question to Obama supporters: Jeremy Scahill said that Obama supported using mercenaries if he had to. How can an intelligent man say such a thing? Please help me...I like Obama, but this is absurd!
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If the US leaves Iraq will fall apart and Al Queda will fill the power vacuum.

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LynnTheDem  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Mar-01-08 01:03 PM
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10. What should they do? Why, stay for as long as we have warm American bodies
   
to kill & die just so the rightwingnuttery can't screech "told ya so!!!" over continuing George W. bUsh's illegal "supreme crime" Naziesque war of aggression.

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5. ...because our Oil Masters PAY them to be in Iraq. n/t
   
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6. They very well may leave of their own accord
   
when the U.S. leaves. Would they stick around just to kill Sunnis who have turned against them? Doubtful. They have a safe haven in Pakistan if that's what they want. It's absurd to pretend that they could somehow "take over the country" as John McWar claims in his fear bombs. I don't see any good reason for them to stay there.
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Re: al Qaeda is in Iraq...
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2008, 12:45:45 PM »
Is stupid that deep a learned or inherent state?
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Re: al Qaeda is in Iraq...
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2008, 12:54:05 PM »
These idiots just howl what they want to believe in then when the others join in they qualify that as evidentiary corraboration.
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Re: al Qaeda is in Iraq...
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2008, 12:54:20 PM »
Quote from: Carl on March 01, 2008, 12:45:45 PM
Is stupid that deep a learned or inherent state?

I have no clue. The DUmmie mind defies all laws of science.
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Re: al Qaeda is in Iraq...
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2008, 12:55:26 PM »
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al Qaeda is in Iraq...   Updated at 11:25 AM
   
...because the USA is there.
USA leaves and the locals will hunt them down and kick them out.

They why didn't they do that when Zarqawi was running training camps north of Tikrit BEFORE we invaded.


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Re: al Qaeda is in Iraq...
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LynnTheDem  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Mar-01-08 01:03 PM
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10. What should they do? Why, stay for as long as we have warm American bodies
   
to kill & die just so the rightwingnuttery can't screech "told ya so!!!" over continuing George W. Bush's illegal "supreme crime" Naziesque war of aggression.

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And yet you were so find with Clinton war in the Balkans that had neither a vote from Congress nor a threat to our security. Also this war that you keep babbling on as Naziesque was voted on by a Democratic Congress because Saddam Invaded Kuwait and agreed to a cease fire which HE violated numerous times. The agreement said we could start the operations stopped during Desert Storm anytime we wanted too.

Just because your hero Blowjob Bill failed  to do anything about Saddam other then just shoot cruise missiles at him it doesn't invalidate the agreements. Your side asked for a resolution before the invasion of Iraq, got it and they supported Bush sending troops into Iraq. Sorry but you don't win a cookie. This is hardly an illeagle war no matter how loudly your sorry fat ass screeches about it on DU.
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Re: al Qaeda is in Iraq...
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Re: al Qaeda is in Iraq...
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2008, 01:19:35 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on March 01, 2008, 01:12:20 PM
Oops!

http://www.conservativescave.com/index.php?topic=3482.0


They also arrrested a bunch of Swedes in Sweden this week for sending cash to terrorist.
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