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Offline thundley4

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Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« on: October 07, 2009, 06:46:33 PM »
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(CNSNews.com) -- A senior aide to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told CNSNews.com that it is “likely” that Reid will use H.R. 1586—a bill passed by the House in March to impose a 90-percent tax on bonuses paid to employees of certain bailed-out financial institutions—as a “shell” for enacting the final version of the Senate’s health care bill, which Reid is responsible for crafting.

Under the procedure, the substance of House Resolution 1586 would be removed and replaced with the entire Senate health care package. The maneuver would initially require the support of 60 senators to vote for cloture on the motion to proceed to H.R. 1586 (i.e., end debate on the congressional procedure and move forward).
 
If Reid wins 60 votes, then debate begins on his health care package. Reid could then decide to block all amendments and attempt to get a vote on the entire package.
 
However, a senator could filibuster the final vote, requiring another 60-vote majority to move forward. But if Reid decides to allow any amendments, each amendment could be filibustered, requiring a 60-vote majority to move to a final vote on each of them. An amendment that has the support of more than 50 but less than 60 senators could end up stopping the bill if neither side backs down. But if Reid is able to structure the debate so that all 60 senators who caucus with the Democrats stick with the party on cloture votes, he can pass the bill and send it to back to the House--where it originated as an entirely different bill in substance.
 
If the House were to then vote on the bill as passed by the Senate without amending it, it could be sent directly to the president for his signature without going through a House-Senate conference committee and another round of votes in each chamber.
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This left me more confused than informed, but it seems like Reid is talking about subterfuge to get this crap rammed through the senate.
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 09:06:06 PM »
The people have spoken and subterfuge is one of the few weapons the Democratics have left.
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 09:09:27 PM »
I would think after all those years under the oppression of the BFEE, y'all would welcome all of this openness and transparency from The Øbamessiah's immaculate administration.   :puke:
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2009, 09:30:49 PM »
Rush spoke about this a few days ago.

Nothing like transparency in trying to back door socialist health care eh?

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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 09:32:43 PM »
If so many people support this, then why can it not be done openly and above board? 
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 09:48:47 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 07, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
If so many people support this, then why can it not be done openly and above board? 

HINT:

Most folks don't support it.

But I know you knew that.

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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 11:14:23 AM »
It should be illegal to attach bills to one another for passage. Hell I wonder if it is even constitutional.
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 12:33:07 PM »
Quote from: ROCKURWORLD on October 08, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
It should be illegal to attach bills to one another for passage. Hell I wonder if it is even constitutional.

If'n I were President, I'd veto any bill that was attached to something else. If it can't stand on it's own, it shouldn't be a bill.

Course, I'd also cut the size of the Fed gov't by 60%.
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 01:06:00 PM »
Quote from: bkg on October 08, 2009, 12:33:07 PM
If'n I were President, I'd veto any bill that was attached to something else. If it can't stand on it's own, it shouldn't be a bill.

Course, I'd also cut the size of the Fed gov't by 60%.

Only 60%?
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 01:13:02 PM »
Quote from: bkg on October 08, 2009, 12:33:07 PM
If'n I were President, I'd veto any bill that was attached to something else. If it can't stand on it's own, it shouldn't be a bill.

Course, I'd also cut the size of the Fed gov't by 60%.

I'd like to see a constitutional amendment that any expenditure of public funds must be approved line by line.  No earmarks, riders, amended bills, or any other BS period.  If you are going to spend the people's money on it, let the people know who wants it, how much, and why so they can vote your ass out next go round.
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 02:34:13 PM »
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Re: Reid ‘Likely’ to Make Entire Health Bill an Amendment to Unrelated Tax Bill That
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2009, 02:40:25 PM »
Quote from: bkg on October 08, 2009, 02:34:13 PM
That's EACH YEAR!  :-)

Now THAT is more like it.   :naughty:
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