http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6714553Oh my.
LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 12:35 AM
Original message
I'm one of these people who attack your "solid progressives" on this site.
There's plenty of reasons.
1. People attack Obama and other effective Democrats. When asked why, they'll tell you that they have a right to criticize Democrats. So do I; deal with it.
2. Some of us know what we're talking about because we have over 9000 posts. If you have a problem with what we say, criticize it on it's own merits and we won't call you a coward for starting a rally thread safely far away from any real controversy.
3. lol chemtrails.
4. DUers who criticize most popular Democrats for ideological impurity, for not supporting "progressive" positions which they won't even bother to do the footwork in selling them to the public and gain consensus for, have no moral authority in doing so after they've defended a presidential candidate who gave Ron Paul as the only example of someone they were considering for a running mate. He was either opening the door to a right-wing extremist running the country, or he was not serious about actually running for president.
5. I have serious concerns (because I am a concern troll, obviously) about someone who would cook up a story about seeing a UFO (but it went away before she got out of the shower). I have an equal concern for someone who saw a UFO (which could have been a spacecraft from another planet, a US experimental that accidentally was spotted and should be reported to the military to preserve confidentiality, or even worse a foreign secret weapon) and did not report it to the proper authorities.
6. The last three things on this list show a pattern of saying whatever someone wants to hear to gain favor. Kucinich can say that he is going to deliver anything you want to hear because he knows that he is never going to be in a position to actually do it. Then the rest of the candidates are held to this impossible and irresponsible standards. It's recklessness to his own benefit. And it needs to stop.
7. I did it for the lulz.
You might have noticed that most of these reasons go into specifics about a particular "progressive"; that's exactly the point. People can't deal with the specific criticisms of their favorite politician and start concocting a lame conspiracy theory about some organized effort against progressives. It's a lame dodge of legitimate criticism and only people who already agree with you (pretend to) fall for it.
By the way, if I was going to destroy the Democratic Party, I'd simply have some people who were never going to get much accomplished start attacking all the Democrats who know that politics is serious business. There's my conspiracy theory.
grytpype (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 12:41 AM
Response to Original message
1. "Kucinich can say that he is going to deliver anything"
Dennis will say anything Libs want to hear and he will never have responsibility for running anything.
Obama has all the responsibility of government on him and he doesn't have the luxury of ignoring reality and living in Lib Fantasyland. He has to deal with reality.
If Bo has to deal with reality, how come he's not?
elocs (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 07:24 AM
Response to Reply #1
38. You weren't supposed to notice that. But does well to remember one of the DU commandments:
Thou shalt not be critical of a DU god.
Electric Monk (103 posts) Wed Oct-07-09 12:42 AM
Response to Original message
2. So, 9000 posts is the threshold for credibility here? Thanks for clearing that up.
You come across as very angry at DU and DUers in general with this thread, if you don't mind my pointing out the obvious. Did somebody hurt your feelings?
LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. I think I only mentioned DUers once in this thread, and only a specific group...
...but while we're on the topic, if I were going to generalize, I'd say that my biggest criticism of DUers are that they are not involved in actual political work. Around the time of elections I like to start threads where people can exchange opportunities to get involved with winning the election and they sink. Likewise, very few people I have met at Illinois Dem Net or campaign meetings have even heard of DU, and I've only met three real DUers in the course of working for campaigns or other activism.
I think the reason for this is simple: netroots politics assuages any need to feel involved without actually doing work that will be effective.
Leona Helmsley of DUmmieland, the flyarm primitive:
flyarm (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
25. Just because you have not met other Du'ers in your political work doesn't mean the brush you paint with paints the real picture..
I know many here on DU that have worked diligently in the dem party ..they have walked the walk..
And I know many here on DU that have been elected or run for office in the Dem Party..people who have put their butts on the line and have worked their arses off for the dem party and have spent a good deal of their own money for the Dem party.
Just because you don't know them, doesn't lend your statement any credibility.
I have not only been elected to represent the people of my county and state, but i have spent a shit load of money in Democratic campaigns, in audits of voting machines , I have done public speaking for the dem party in 3 states, I have worked in Iowa and SC in the primaries for the Dem party..on my own dime..
I have written a bi- monthly newspaper column representing the Dem perspective, for 4 years and ran an internet group throughout the USA..I have worked for the National DNC distributing information in a fast response team.
And much much more..that I will spare you all the details.
There are many people who can not devote the time I have , or maybe you have.
I am retired now so I could do what i have done. And my children are grown and on their own.
I know many many dems who have worked their arses off for the good of our nation and the democratic party. Most people do what they can, when they can.
It is not for me to judge others for what they can or will do for a political party..
I know many dems today after the primary we had, that have left the party and are disgusted..who can blame them..in my state our votes were stolen..and there are many dedicated dems who were the work horses that have now left the party.
Me? I have decided to stay and fight to make it right, although what i see around here..I have just about had it. This is not the party and the values, and principles I have fought a lifetime for.
So please when you paint others people with your brush, may I remind you..You don't have a clue what other posters here have done.
The Muriel Humphrey primitive:
murielm99 (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #5
26. I've never met any DUers at events.
I had a chance to meet a couple in Springfield at Governor's Day last year, but I got so busy we never did connect. There are a few activists here, and some of them are from Illinois.
I've spent a lifetime trying to get people involved. Sometimes I feel lucky if I can get them to put signs in their yards.
At least my grown children are involved. They represent the third generation of grassroots activists in my family.
Electric Monk (103 posts) Wed Oct-07-09 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #5
32. You put it in the thread title as well. That counts for the rest of the post.
That's what titles are for, right?
Maybe you should read more, and post less.
Matt_in_STL (76 posts) Wed Oct-07-09 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #2
46. What the OP doesn't mention
Many, if not most, of his posts have been of the "kick and recommend" variety (i.e. "kick and recommend if you love bacon"). There were days where he would have multiples of those types of threads posted. I guess if being a rec whore is being a "solid progressive" then I really suck and maybe I should be doing that to get 9000 posts as well.
Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 12:46 AM
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3. Some of us know what we're talking about because we have over 9000 posts is a shit statement.
The forked primitive, who doesn't know excresence about sports:
Forkboy (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #3
27. The Op could be Tolstoy and his post would still be the dumbest shit around.
Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. He makes me love the unrec feature.
So he's got that going for him.
QC (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-07-09 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #29
45. Unrec was designed for him.
And on it goes, the apathetic primitives all upset and bent out of shape for being called what they are, lazy.
