Primitives discuss new drug tests

[Freeper]

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-26-09 04:01 PM
Original message
Anyone here heard of the new drug testing - retinal scans?
   
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 04:02 PM by Taverner
(more info: http://www.physorg.com/news6134.html )

Basically The test works like this:

"...first you must be 'baselined' into the machine 3 times. You look into the machine and there is a green dot at the end of a short tube. You line up your eye with the green dot, then you press a green button to begin the test. The machine will make a high-pitched sound letting you know it's found your retina. Then the green light moves back and forth from right to left 6-8 times (this is to track eye movement as well as scan the retina). The dot then returns to the middle for 8 seconds giving you time to blink and relubricate your eye (you cannot blink from the time of the sound to this time or you will fault the test and have to retake it). After the 8 seconds the small dot is in the center again and 4 large green dots flash around it. The large dots are 1/2 second flashes and they flash another 6-8 times (this checks for pupil dilation). If you did the test correctly the machine will make another high-pitched sound telling you that you took the test correctly (doesn't mean you passed....). If at any time you move or blink during the test the machine will make an error sound and you will have to retest.

After you get through the test then your results are printed. The results either say low-risk (your eye tested close enough to your baseline so you are at 'low risk' of being negative aka you passed) or high-risk (your eye was not close enough to your baseline). If you low-risk, you have passed an you are done. If you are high-risk then you must wait 5 minutes and retest. If after you retest you get high risk for the 2nd time, you fail the retinal scan and then they cross reference it with a lab-urine test (very strict urine test the also tests for dilutes, additives, adulterants, etc.)."

Now here is the really bad part about it - its not testing for substances, but if you've ever been "high" lately. So if you take something as innocuous as Cough Syrup or Tylenol PM you could fail the test.

How can something like this be legal?

They are standardizing on these in Florida (at the cost of $25K per machine) and I can't see how this isn't a massive invasion of privacy as well as putting thousands at risk of false positives.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6635746

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-26-09 04:07 PM
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5. Knowing the ganja grabbers they wouldn't care
   
They'd rather screen out thousands of retina torn individuals than hire ONE SINGLE POTSMOKER!!!!

ixion  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-26-09 04:08 PM
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7. drug testing is an invasion of privacy
   
and should be outlawed, in my opinion.

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-26-09 04:10 PM
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10. Yes. Totally. I refuse to apply for any job that I have to test for.
   
I walked out on an interview at a certain 3-letter acronym company you all know because that was the next stage of the interview.

The hiring manager was like "Seriously? I shouldn't say this but you did a great job in the tech screen and interview - - and we can compensate with salary - I have that leverage."

Good luck finding a job then you moron. Every company practically requires them.

ixion  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Sep-26-09 04:14 PM
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12. yep, I had something similar happen to me
   
went as far as an offer from a large ins co, but the drug test was the deal breaker. I didn't tell them why, just that I couldn't accept the offer.

See folks calling them DUmmies is not just a clever name it's the truth.

[crockspot]

I see one problem with this test: What if they are stoned during the baseline phase?

[Freeper]

I see one problem with this test: What if they are stoned during the baseline phase?

Then all of DU will have nothing to worry about on the test. 

[Celtic Rose]

I see one problem with this test: What if they are stoned during the baseline phase?

Hopefully they do another test in conjunction with the baseline test to confirm that they are not.  Lets hope the hiring managers consider that issue.

[GOBUCKS]

Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)     Sat Sep-26-09 04:10 PM
10. Yes. Totally. I refuse to apply for any job that I have to test for.
I walked out on an interview at a certain 3-letter acronym company you all know
because that was the next stage of the interview.

Well, I doubt this pothead DUmmy was being interviewed for a job at the FBI, or CIA, or, even less
likely DEA. The Salvation Army only has two letters. Must be some food bank or local
homeless shelter. Who else would hire a pothead DUmmy?

[crockspot]

Well, I doubt this pothead DUmmy was being interviewed for a job at the FBI, or CIA, or, even less
likely DEA. The Salvation Army only has two letters. Must be some food bank or local
homeless shelter. Who else would hire a pothead DUmmy?

I'm pretty sure it's not Big Blue either. I worked there up until earlier this year, was prepared to take a drug test when hired, but was never asked. My position even required ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) certification with the Dept. of State. Technically, I was a contractor working for another company, but none of the regular employees were ever tested either. I asked around.

[Karin]

Taverner is quickly becoming one of my most disliked DUmmies.  His posts have been violent, aggregious affairs lately, and now he's announcing freeloaderdom in perpetuity because he loves his dope. 

[Tucker]

Well, I doubt this pothead DUmmy was being interviewed for a job at the FBI, or CIA, or, even less
likely DEA. The Salvation Army only has two letters. Must be some food bank or local
homeless shelter. Who else would hire a pothead DUmmy?

It was A&W.

One of the perks was all the tube steak he could eat.

[GOBUCKS]

It was A&W.

I think you're on to something there.
Maybe KFC.

[AllosaursRus]

AIG, oh wait!

[RobJohnson]

Well, I doubt this pothead DUmmy was being interviewed for a job at the FBI, or CIA, or, even less
likely DEA. The Salvation Army only has two letters. Must be some food bank or local
homeless shelter. Who else would hire a pothead DUmmy?

Maybe it was CBS   

[LC EFA]

I bet they'd bitch about the standard saliva test - which is designed to pick up the active components of drugs rather than the metabolites (as in a urine test) - but is far easier to administer by people without medical training than a blood test.

[vesta111]

I bet they'd bitch about the standard saliva test - which is designed to pick up the active components of drugs rather than the metabolites (as in a urine test) - but is far easier to administer by people without medical training than a blood test.

I see men of the older generation in stores that still at this day and age lick their thumb and count out money, re-lick their thumb and count out a bit more.  YUCK

Besides all the deadly germs they are transferring to their mouth what about drug residue?

Just handling money then putting a finger in the mouth can be just as dangerous.

I do not trust the Saliva test for that reason.

As was noted the retina scan and the piss test can be gotten around some how---I worked with people that pass the tests that were heavy users of pot and I was told that coke leaves the system in 4 days.


When the piss test was developed the technology was brand new with problems and it hit the military hard.  There were so many false positives that the Mormons who are squeaky clean were getting popped.  Put the fear of God into Everyone and there was a huge hue and cry.

I am all for testing but I don't really trust anything but a blood test and that can get screwed up in the lab.

It can be a time of really big trauma when a clean person is fired for a false positive, expensive also as they have to pay for the tests they will need to get to prove they are in fact clean.

[RobJohnson]

I see men of the older generation in stores that still at this day and age lick their thumb and count out money, re-lick their thumb and count out a bit more.  YUCK

Besides all the deadly germs they are transferring to their mouth what about drug residue?

Just handling money then putting a finger in the mouth can be just as dangerous.

I do not trust the Saliva test for that reason.

As was noted the retina scan and the piss test can be gotten around some how---I worked with people that pass the tests that were heavy users of pot and I was told that coke leaves the system in 4 days.


When the piss test was developed the technology was brand new with problems and it hit the military hard.  There were so many false positives that the Mormons who are squeaky clean were getting popped.  Put the fear of God into Everyone and there was a huge hue and cry.

I am all for testing but I don't really trust anything but a blood test and that can get screwed up in the lab.

It can be a time of really big trauma when a clean person is fired for a false positive, expensive also as they have to pay for the tests they will need to get to prove they are in fact clean.

With today's technology, I doubt there are any false positive terminations of employment. 

[ColonialMarine0431]

Using drugs supports terrorists. I have no tolerance for druggies.

[vesta111]

With today's technology, I doubt there are any false positive terminations of employment. 

The technology is great it is the humans that screw up.

Wrong labels placed on vials, heck Rob, today mothers may take the wrong baby home from the hospital or as in the news lately the woman that received the wrong embryo in a clinic. 

Human error in anything medical can destroy ones life.  Lab errors cause the patient to take the wrong medicine, an incorrect DNA match can place a person in prison for most of their life.

Much is at stake here Rob, when your life or living depends on a complete stranger to do their job well, and we all everyday do depend on others to insure our safety in every part of our lives, the odds are that sooner or later someone will mess up and affect our lives in some mannor.

Technology is one thing, human error is another.

[miskie]

I'm guessing AT&T

Even people who are hired to answer the phone and field new service calls & complaints are drug tested.

[NHSparky]

With today's technology, I doubt there are any false positive terminations of employment. 

Considering the military has been doing whiz quizzes for 30 years, you know how many "false positives" they've had in that time?

Zero.  None.  Nada.

And oh, I think our little friend is plagiarizing:

LINK

I need help!!!! I dont know if anyone has heard about the horrible news... I live in Florida and in 2 counties (I live in one of them) they have a new way of drug testing. No more blood testing, no more hair testing, no more urine testing. The new test is a retinal scan. Yes, its hard to believe but I swear to you it is true (I'm stuck testing on it every week after going through Drug Court!). It as called 'pass-point'. The machine is about the size of a slot machine and is located in both dade and martin counties. This machine supposedly costs $25,000 and is impassable.

The test works like this, first you must be 'baselined' into the machine 3 times. The test must be done with your right eye only. You look into the machine and rest your forhead on a platform. There is a green dot at the end of a short tube. You enter your # into the machine and line up your eye with the green dot, then you press a green button to begin the test. The machine will make a high-pitched sound letting you know it's found your retina. Then the green light moves back and forth from right to left 6-8 times (this is to track eye movement as well as scan the retina). The dot then returns to the middle for 8 seconds giving you time to blink and relubricate your eye (you cannot blink from the time of the sound to this time or you will fault the test and have to retake it). After the 8 seconds the small dot is in the center again and 4 large green dots flash around it. The large dots are 1/2 second flashes and they flash another 6-8 times (this checks for pupil dilation). If you did the test correctly the machine will make another high-pitched sound telling you that you took the test correctly (doesn't mean you passed....). If at any time you move or blink during the test the machine will make an error sound and you will have to retest.

After you get through the test then your results are printed. The results either say low-risk (your eye tested close enough to your baseline so you are at 'low risk' of being negative aka you passed) or high-risk (your eye was not close enough to your baseline). If you low-risk, you have passed an you are done. If you are high-risk then you must wait 5 minutes and retest. If after you retest you get high risk for the 2nd time, you fail the retinal scan and then they crossreference it with a lab-urine test (very strict urine test the also tests for dilutes, additives, adulterants, ect.). I get this test once every week plus randoms!!! I want to know if anyone knows any ways to beat this machine so I can smoke a god damn blunt! Most people have never even heard of this since it is so new but they better start learning.


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And now, the OP:

(more info: http://www.physorg.com/news6134.html )

Basically The test works like this:

"...first you must be 'baselined' into the machine 3 times. You look into the machine and there is a green dot at the end of a short tube. You line up your eye with the green dot, then you press a green button to begin the test. The machine will make a high-pitched sound letting you know it's found your retina. Then the green light moves back and forth from right to left 6-8 times (this is to track eye movement as well as scan the retina). The dot then returns to the middle for 8 seconds giving you time to blink and relubricate your eye (you cannot blink from the time of the sound to this time or you will fault the test and have to retake it). After the 8 seconds the small dot is in the center again and 4 large green dots flash around it. The large dots are 1/2 second flashes and they flash another 6-8 times (this checks for pupil dilation). If you did the test correctly the machine will make another high-pitched sound telling you that you took the test correctly (doesn't mean you passed....). If at any time you move or blink during the test the machine will make an error sound and you will have to retest.

After you get through the test then your results are printed. The results either say low-risk (your eye tested close enough to your baseline so you are at 'low risk' of being negative aka you passed) or high-risk (your eye was not close enough to your baseline). If you low-risk, you have passed an you are done. If you are high-risk then you must wait 5 minutes and retest. If after you retest you get high risk for the 2nd time, you fail the retinal scan and then they cross reference it with a lab-urine test (very strict urine test the also tests for dilutes, additives, adulterants, etc.)."

Now here is the really bad part about it - its not testing for substances, but if you've ever been "high" lately. So if you take something as innocuous as Cough Syrup or Tylenol PM you could fail the test.

How can something like this be legal?

They are standardizing on these in Florida (at the cost of $25K per machine) and I can't see how this isn't a massive invasion of privacy as well as putting thousands at risk of false positives.

Poor DUmmies.  They lie.  All the time, DUmmies lie.  Google is NOT your friend today.

[Texacon]

Yeah.  Just let one of the DUmmies get involved in an accident of ANY kind and they will be the first ones calling for a drug test of the OTHER person to determine just how much they can sue for.

That is the real reason they don't like the drug tests.  They don't give a damn about getting a job, they just need a good pool from which to sue.  They don't want to be sued, they want to be the one suing.

KC

[diesel driver]

Yeah.  Just let one of the DUmmies get involved in an accident of ANY kind and they will be the first ones calling for a drug test of the OTHER person to determine just how much they can sue for.

That is the real reason they don't like the drug tests.  They don't give a damn about getting a job, they just need a good pool from which to sue.  They don't want to be sued, they want to be the one suing.

KC

Thank the trial lawyers for all the CYA that now has to be done....
Sometime, I wonder if it would be cheaper to just be sued and get it over with....