Iran loses its only AWACS as Ahmadinejad threatens the world

[Rebel]

Iran loses its only AWACS as Ahmadinejad threatens the world

Up above a big military parade in Tehran on Tuesday, Sept. 22, as Iranian president declared Iran's armed forces would "chop off the hands" of any power daring to attack his country, two air force jets collided in mid-air. One was Iran's only airborne warning and control system (AWACS) for coordinating long-distance aerial operations, DEBKAfile's military and Iranian sources disclose.

The proud military parade, which included a march-past, a line of Shehab-3 missiles and an air force fly-past, was planned to give Ahmadinejad a dazzling send-off for New York and add steel to his UN Assembly speech Wednesday. ---MORE---

    
Tell me there's no God and that he doesn't have a sense of humor.  

[Odin's Hand]

So much for air to air coordination.

[The Village Idiot]

Just days after the "shot down" a UFO too

[DumbAss Tanker]

Awww, that's too bad.  Too bad it didn't land on the VIP stand, that is.

[AllosaursRus]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Like the Towel heads could make the thing useful anyway. If 'I-can't-find-my-ass-with-both-hands' is any indication, those people are about as smart as road kill. This proves their "outstanding" skills in flying in tight formation. Crimaney, if you can't even do that, what chance do you think you have against Israeli pilots?

Ah well, just 2 less Israel needs to shoot out of the sky later.

edited to add........

[The Village Idiot]

Might have been retaliation for the UFO shoot down last week 

[NHSparky]

Frankly, I'm surprised it could fly at all.  Given the number of F-14's the Iranian's had when the Shah fell, their number of flyable planes rapidly dwindled to where they had barely a flight of them able to take to the air by the end of the Iran-Iraq war.

And given that most of Iran's pilots back then were US-trained (and therefore the Mullahs had a hard-on to purge them from the ranks), and you've got a real problem.  I'm guessing that Iran's air force is at best a hobbled together mix of varying types, none of which is in significant numbers.

Basically, if Iran's air force was going to be a viable threat to anything larger than single carrier air wing, I'd be surprised.

[Rebel]

Frankly, I'm surprised it could fly at all.  Given the number of F-14's the Iranian's had when the Shah fell, their number of flyable planes rapidly dwindled to where they had barely a flight of them able to take to the air by the end of the Iran-Iraq war.

And given that most of Iran's pilots back then were US-trained (and therefore the Mullahs had a hard-on to purge them from the ranks), and you've got a real problem.  I'm guessing that Iran's air force is at best a hobbled together mix of varying types, none of which is in significant numbers.

Basically, if Iran's air force was going to be a viable threat to anything larger than single carrier air wing, I'd be surprised.

No, they have some "new and sophisticated" jets now.

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[Chump]

Tell me there's no God and that he doesn't have a sense of humor.  

Eye witnesses reported that the flaming planes landed on the mausoleum burial site of the Islamic revolution's founder Ruhollah Khomeini, a national shrine.

 

[vesta111]

Frankly, I'm surprised it could fly at all.  Given the number of F-14's the Iranian's had when the Shah fell, their number of flyable planes rapidly dwindled to where they had barely a flight of them able to take to the air by the end of the Iran-Iraq war.

And given that most of Iran's pilots back then were US-trained (and therefore the Mullahs had a hard-on to purge them from the ranks), and you've got a real problem.  I'm guessing that Iran's air force is at best a hobbled together mix of varying types, none of which is in significant numbers.

Basically, if Iran's air force was going to be a viable threat to anything larger than single carrier air wing, I'd be surprised.

What UFO, who shot at it and where did it go.?

I have to agree with Sparky, these people are making the same mistakes that country's do that exclude other thinking and training.

Had Germany used the most valuable resource of Germany, the Jewish scientists and doctors, in the war, enlisted the Jewish population into the military---------A very different world we would have.

This is kind of sad that a country's population is being doomed by their leaders. But, as Obama said, that is their choice. If these people are willing to live in slavery, poverty and war, that is their choice. No business of ours.

Listening to the Israeli PM speak on TV at this time.  I feel that Christians must stand by their God, that told of in the old Testament. To turn ones back on the Jews is to turn their back on  Jesus Christ.  How can anyone celebrate Xmas the birth of the KING of the  Jews yet speak of hate toward all Jews.

Next sunday when I attend church I have a mind to speak up if anything from Psalms to what ever is read from the old Testament.  How can any Christian Church preach from a book that they say is no longer valid?  Jesus came to change the law of God some say, OK so why keep preaching from the old Testament if it is invalid?

Who do Christians stand with, the humane part of Jesus and his ancestors and ignore those that wish to destroy both Jews and Christians.

If Jesus changed the rules then why bother to read the old.?

Questions that came from my youth through my life into my old age.

Any assult on the Jews is a fore coming assult on Christians.  They are Family, hold the Book, both testament's as valid.

[NHSparky]

No, they have some "new and sophisticated" jets now.

That thing looks like an F-5/T-38 with a twin rudder, and that's being generous.

[Chris_]

That thing looks like an F-5/T-38 with a twin rudder, and that's being generous.

I notice they still had the dust covers over the intakes while the plane was taxiing.  Must be a pretty sensitive engine, if they're that scared of dust/FOD getting to it.  I'd hate to see what a Sidewinder warhead could do to it. 

[ColonialMarine0431]

In other news, Iran test launched their latest medium range cruise missle today...

[Airwolf]

At least during the Iran-Iraq war the Iranian Air Force was still pretty good. As far as I know they still might be even with this poor performance on their part. The Russians have been helping them in all kinds of ways to inclued selling them their latest jets to mke up for the losses of their F-14's .In return the Russians supposedly got a crack at looking at or got one of their F-14's. That one in the video is for all intents.just another F-5/T-38 with two tails and maybe better engines. The original company that built the F-5 had at one time thought of doing the same thing but it was dropped in favor of going after the Air Forces LWF program which produced the YF-16 and the YF-17 which later became the F/A-18 Hornet we know today.

[The Village Idiot]

No, they have some "new and sophisticated" jets now.

That has all the capabilities of an F-5, if they're lucky

[Chris_]

That has all the capabilities of an F-5, if they're lucky

Which means, against a flight of F-16s or F-18s (since Lord Ø feels the US Air Force should tie one arm behind it's back when fighting the rest of the world, and NOT have the F-22 replace the ancient F-15s in the inventory) they'll go down like MiG-21s or MiG-23s.  By the numbers.

[Baruch Menachem]

From my reading, it is not the aircraft but the pilots that matter.    They performed well against Iraq, but Iraq's pilots all fled as soon as they got in the air when facing US pilots.

The problems is, we may very well see  a contest between US and Iranian pilots.   May the poor Iranian pilots rest in peace.

[Chump]

The problems is, we may very well see  a contest between US and Iranian pilots.   May the poor Iranian pilots rest in peace pieces.

FIFY

[South40]

[NHSparky]

From my reading, it is not the aircraft but the pilots that matter.    They performed well against Iraq, but Iraq's pilots all fled as soon as they got in the air when facing US pilots.

The problems is, we may very well see  a contest between US and Iranian pilots.   May the poor Iranian pilots rest in peace.

The ones they still had left after they purged their ranks did, mainly because they still retained some of their US-trained tactics versus the Iraqis, who relied on Soviet-style tactics.

The pilots they have today are more ideologues than pilots, and what training they get is, as mentioned before, from the Soviets and Chinese.  This does not bode well for the Iranians if they want to tangle with the Navy and Air Force.

[Mustang]

Which means, against a flight of F-16s or F-18s (since Lord Ø feels the US Air Force should tie one arm behind it's back when fighting the rest of the world, and NOT have the F-22 replace the ancient F-15s in the inventory) they'll go down like MiG-21s or MiG-23s.  By the numbers.

I am upset that our Air Force (our smartest and arguably most important military branch) are not properly equipped with more F-22.
We can blame Robert Gates and congress for this. The head of the Air Force now is a C-130 pilot. I don't want a former C-130 pilot running our air force, a bomber or fighter pilot should be in charge. Apparently Robert Gates fails to see countries like China and North Korea as a serious threat.
We cannot deter a large threat like China or North Korea with a mere 200 F-22 jets.

For a secretary of defense, Robert Gates seems to fail to understand the importance of our air force. I argue that it is our most important branch because without them, we could not clear the way for our marines to go in, or take out nuclear and terrorist sites.

I don't think we will ever bomb Iran, we will probably let Israel do that for us--since they are in direct threat from an Iranian nuclear threat.
Ahmedinjad wants Israel and/or the U.S.  to strike Iran to give him an excuse to rally Iranians and Hezbollah to strike everything they have at Israel.  

[DumbAss Tanker]

F-22s aren't magic, and there is a core truth in Baruch's comment in that the combat avionics and weapons systems, and the pilot's capability with them, determine the outcome much more than airframes do.  The airframe is a factor, but not the biggest of the three.  Stealth capabilities of the F-22 are nice, but icing on the cake against Iranian or Iraqi type air defense arrays, and tits on a boar hog in Afghanistan.

Air Force the most important?  In some phase of battle, any branch is the "Most important," and by the same token in others, the least important.  Really when up against a third world opponent, the Air Force and Naval Air capabilities are the ones that are under the least stress; losses may be higher by a dozen or two to achieve the same ends; on the ground, if the gear isn't up to date, losses can be higher by hundreds or even thousands. 

Basically we could have fought Iraq with F4s and beat them without slowing down the ground war at all, but there would have been a few more aircraft lost.

 

[The Village Idiot]

Municipal Improvement Project

[Mustang]

F-22s aren't magic, and there is a core truth in Baruch's comment in that the combat avionics and weapons systems, and the pilot's capability with them, determine the outcome much more than airframes do.  The airframe is a factor, but not the biggest of the three.  Stealth capabilities of the F-22 are nice, but icing on the cake against Iranian or Iraqi type air defense arrays, and tits on a boar hog in Afghanistan.

Air Force the most important?  In some phase of battle, any branch is the "Most important," and by the same token in others, the least important.  Really when up against a third world opponent, the Air Force and Naval Air capabilities are the ones that are under the least stress; losses may be higher by a dozen or two to achieve the same ends; on the ground, if the gear isn't up to date, losses can be higher by hundreds or even thousands. 

Basically we could have fought Iraq with F4s and beat them without slowing down the ground war at all, but there would have been a few more aircraft lost.

 

I agree that the Air Force becomes a little less important when fighting 3rd world countries. But still, if there is a 100 taliban fighters and you only got 20 marines, it's better to hit with them some A10's before going in--just so we wont have even one casualty.

When dealing with countries like north korea and china, air is the first fight. You must clear the air and ground or else.




 

[Airwolf]

As was siad before the Pilots do make alot of differance. One thing though is that even the lowly F-5 isn't exactly a dog in A2A combat. TOp GUN and RED FLAG had used the F-5 aircraft for many years and alot of young LT s learned the hard way that the F-5 can ruin your day.