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Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« on: September 20, 2009, 03:12:24 PM »
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Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
   
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“For us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase,” Mr. Obama said. “What it’s saying is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for anymore.”

This is wrong. People that can't afford health insurance aren't being irresponsible! Sheesh. How is this not a huge gift to the insurance industry? Millions of Americans that are barely making ends meet have to contribute to the already obscene profits of these companies? The same companies that drop coverage because someone didn't report they once had acne???

As he did during a speech to a joint session of Congress this month, the president spoke favorably of a public insurance option to inject competition into health care, but he did not say it was an essential part of a bill. He urged “folks in my own party” to move beyond that debate and focus on the broader aspects of the health care overhaul.

“Everybody’s gonna have to give some in order to get something done,” Mr. Obama said, speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” He added, “We’ve got to get past some of these ideological arguments to actually make something happen.”

It use to be people that were only for single-payer were ideologues; now it is those who insist on the public option. Oh, and are the 3 out of 4 physicians that want a public option, are they ideologues too?? :eyes: x( I voted for change. Not this.

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6. Did you listen to him??? He said that after the gov. got through
   
providing subsidies, tax breaks and other financial assistance, if someone decides not to get insurance and "run for luck", people should not have to bear that person's burdens if he gets hit by a bus. I agree with him.

I have a crazy idea you could charge the individual for whatever care is required.

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11. He's not talking about people who can't afford health insurance.
   
He's talking about people who can afford health insurance but choose not to.

Sort of like in the way you could understand what he's saying, but prefer to be purposefully obstuse.

I thought you all were pro choice. Guess that only applies to abortion everything else should be dictated by Obama  :whatever:

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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2009, 04:49:45 PM »
They are only pro-choice was it comes to a few square inches of a womans body
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2009, 04:56:52 PM »
Quote from: FGL on September 20, 2009, 04:49:45 PM
They are only pro-choice was it comes to a few square inches of a womans body

and only one of those choices is acceptable to a lot of them.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2009, 05:41:41 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on September 20, 2009, 04:56:52 PM
and only one of those choices is acceptable to a lot of them.
Too bad their mamas were't so pro choice.   :fuelfire: :uhsure:
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2009, 07:38:07 PM »
Quote from: FGL on September 20, 2009, 04:49:45 PM
They are only pro-choice was it comes to a few square inches of a womans body

And you're only "pro life" until the end of the vag.  The argument goes both ways.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2009, 07:39:59 PM »
Quote from: lug-nut on September 20, 2009, 05:41:41 PM
Too bad their mamas were't so pro choice.   :fuelfire: :uhsure:

Pro-Choice != Pro Abortion.  Pro Choice = me staying the hell out of the decision between a woman and her doctor.  A better term for "Pro Life" would be Anti Choice.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2009, 07:43:10 PM »
Quote from: Lleu on September 20, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Pro-Choice != Pro Abortion. 
"pro choice" is just the PC term for "it's okay to kill a baby".
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Pro Choice = me staying the hell out of the decision between a woman and her doctor.
...and being okay with killing a baby who cannot speak for him/herself.
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  A better term for "Pro Life" would be Anti Choice.
Not quite, moron.  The choice was made when she hopped in the sack.

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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2009, 07:43:27 PM »
Quote from: Lleu on September 20, 2009, 07:38:07 PM
And you're only "pro life" until the end of the vag.  The argument goes both ways.

Not at all. I don't want to see a baby murdered after it's been delivered either.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2009, 07:43:54 PM »
I'm not anti-choice... they can choose to or not to use a condom. Very, very rare exceptions would I agree with abortion, rape or incest only. Other than that... nope, no can do.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2009, 07:52:40 PM »
Quote from: dgmiller on September 20, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
I'm not anti-choice... they can choose to or not to use a condom. Very, very rare exceptions would I agree with abortion, rape or incest only. Other than that... nope, no can do.
Please explain why the circumstances of conception should result in killing the baby.
Did you get to pick where or when you were conceived?
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2009, 07:55:24 PM »
Quote from: dgmiller on September 20, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
I'm not anti-choice... they can choose to or not to use a condom. Very, very rare exceptions would I agree with abortion, rape or incest only. Other than that... nope, no can do.


You know, that used to be my thinking also.  Somewhere along the line it sank into my thick skull, that regardless of the manner it was created, it is still an innocent unborn life. Now, I'm more of the opinion that it should only happen to protect the mothers life.




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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2009, 08:00:19 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on September 20, 2009, 07:55:24 PM

You know, that used to be my thinking also.  Somewhere along the line it sank into my thick skull, that regardless of the manner it was created, it is still an innocent unborn life. Now, I'm more of the opinion that it should only happen to protect the mothers life.


I see your point, but at the same time I can't see asking someone to raise the child of a rapist. I think this is just where we'll agree to disagree.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2009, 08:04:22 PM »
Quote from: dgmiller on September 20, 2009, 08:00:19 PM
I see your point, but at the same time I can't see asking someone to raise the child of a rapist. I think this is just where we'll agree to disagree.
Ever hear of adoption?
Do you believe that being "the child of a rapist" makes that child any less important?...any less human?...any less a creation of God?...need I continue?
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2009, 08:08:08 PM »
Quote from: dgmiller on September 20, 2009, 08:00:19 PM
I see your point, but at the same time I can't see asking someone to raise the child of a rapist. I think this is just where we'll agree to disagree.

It's not that simple.  It comes down to the fact you think it is ok to murder an innocent baby if the baby's father was a rapist or a family member of the mother.  Thundley does not think it is ok to murder a baby for any reason.  That's a little heavier than "agree to disagree".

You are willing to overlook murder.  Let's call it what it is.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2009, 08:14:27 PM »
Oh noes! Obama isn't going to give us FREE healthcare? Damn that freeping insurance industry shilling Kenyan!

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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2009, 08:17:24 PM »
Quote from: Lleu on September 20, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Pro-Choice != Pro Abortion.  Pro Choice = me staying the hell out of the decision between a woman and her doctor.  A better term for "Pro Life" would be Anti Choice.

What a ball-less wonder you are.  You provide 50% of the DNA for that little human being you spent the sweatiest 2 minutes of your life helping to create and they cede YOUR portion of the responsibility over to the woman?

Pro choice?  Finish the sentence you coward...pro choice for death.

Pro life is exactly that.  Despite your weak sauce attempt at Liberal spin...prolife is just that...you are in favor of life and not killing the unborn.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2009, 08:43:25 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on September 20, 2009, 08:08:08 PM
It's not that simple.  It comes down to the fact you think it is ok to murder an innocent baby if the baby's father was a rapist or a family member of the mother.  Thundley does not think it is ok to murder a baby for any reason.  That's a little heavier than "agree to disagree".

You are willing to overlook murder.  Let's call it what it is.

The only time I'm pro-choice is when the mothers own life is in the balance.  Yet there are women, usually married ones that have been willing to risk their own life for the chance to let their child survive.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2009, 09:16:14 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on September 20, 2009, 08:43:25 PM
The only time I'm pro-choice is when the mothers own life is in the balance.  Yet there are women, usually married ones that have been willing to risk their own life for the chance to let their child survive.

The cases of a mother's life being in danger due to pregnancy has always been governed by the host/guest rule.  It has never been debated by civilized people.  The host comes first.  Sometimes the host (the mother) will choose to risk (sometimes sacrifice) her life for her guest (unborn child).  That is truly a decision between a mother, her doctor, and her God. 

By the way, I am a firm believer in the idea that all recreational abortions should result in two deaths.  That would indeed make the practice of killing inconvenient babies "safe and rare".     
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2009, 09:28:33 PM »
Quote from: Lleu on September 20, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Pro-Choice != Pro Abortion.  Pro Choice = me staying the hell out of the decision between a woman and her doctor.  A better term for "Pro Life" would be Anti Choice.
So, if the kid is 10 years old, is it still "a choice between the woman and her doctor?"  No?


What makes it OK to kill the kid at 10 weeks, but not at 10 years?  To the kid, it's the same thing, he or she is dead either way. 
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2009, 10:38:39 PM »
Quote from: Lleu on September 20, 2009, 07:38:07 PM
And you're only "pro life" until the end of the vag.  The argument goes both ways.

I am pro-life until the natural end of life. The only deaths I support are those of murderers and child molesters. I am also iffy on whether I want the state or jury to do it.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2009, 06:57:04 AM »
Quote from: Lleu on September 20, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Pro-Choice != Pro Abortion.  Pro Choice = me staying the hell out of the decision between a woman and her doctor.  A better term for "Pro Life" would be Anti Choice.

You know, in your "Welcome thread", I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and told you that if you were respectful, you would be treated with respect.

Well, guess what, ****tard, you've crossed the line with all your assinine insaneness, and I no will no longer "play nice".  So take yourself, and your sock-puppet buddy and get ****ed.
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2009, 07:05:10 AM »
Quote from: Lleu on September 20, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Pro-Choice != Pro Abortion.  Pro Choice = me staying the hell out of the decision between a woman and her doctor.  A better term for "Pro Life" would be Anti Choice.

And a better term for "Pro Choice" would be "Pro Murder".
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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2009, 09:52:10 AM »
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Do you not find what the President said disturbing?

Practically everyday.  But he's an idiot, and so I don't let it bother me.  I voice my opposition along with others and we do all the things that we must to see that his stupidity doesn't ruin the whole landscape.

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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2009, 10:44:06 AM »
Quote from: crockspot on September 20, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
Oh noes! Obama isn't going to give us FREE healthcare? Damn that freeping insurance industry shilling Kenyan!....and that's why none of us, including the liberals, have gotten our free ponies....we haven't paid for them yet.

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Re: Do you not find what the President said disturbing?
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 11:09:02 AM »
Quote from: lug-nut on September 20, 2009, 07:43:10 PM
"pro choice" is just the PC term for "it's okay to kill a baby"....and being okay with killing a baby who cannot speak for him/herself.Not quite, moron.  The choice was made when she hopped in the sack.

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