Oscar Wilde being silently left

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6585779

Oh my.

Oscar Wilde, the large-proboscised primitive:

Cyrano  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-19-09 11:50 AM
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The silence of the left

In reality, it’s not so much silence as being silenced by those who own the MSM.

So what do we do about it? Beats the hell out of me. But we all know it’s a problem.

I have a cousin, who is politically somewhere to the very far left of Barney Frank. He believes that we have been bullied and virtually buried by a minority of America’s fringe nuts. He believes that an infinitesimal percentage of the population has a giant megaphone due to their ownership of hate radio and “Faux News.” He believes that liberals are the real American sheep for not letting their impotent rage burst into the streets. He’s a child of the 60s.

He states that the reason for his beliefs comes down to one word. Capitalism. He believes it’s an unworkable system that would, even under the best of circumstances, lead to the economic disaster in which we currently find ourselves.

Further, he goes totally bugshit if the words “health care” are spoken. (So do I.) He can’t wrap his mind around the fact that so many millions of Americans are willingly letting themselves get raped and protecting their rapists.

I’m damned if I have the solutions for these problems. Hell, if I knew how to make the world a better place, I’d either run for president, or open a “wisdom booth” high up in the Himalayas.

We on the left know that we are getting screwed every single moment of every single day.

So here’s my question. Does anyone have a clue as to how to put an end to this insanity?

Oh, I dunno.

The scorpion primitive:

MrScorpio  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-19-09 11:51 AM
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1. Your cousin is very wise

I agree with him very much

The bowel movement primitive:

blm  (1000+ posts)     Sat Sep-19-09 03:56 PM
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7. It's like REO Speedwagon is in heavy rotation while the Beatles can't even get a record deal.

The fascists didn't buy control of broadcast media in the 80s and 90s so the Democratic left could be heard - not without the heavyhanded use of the news-production office's editing room, anyway.

Jade Fox  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-19-09 11:58 AM
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2. I just wrote a similar post.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I know one thing: When we take to the streets these days, no one reports it. The media will report 1000 anti-health care kooks before they report one million anti-war protesters. So, taking it to the streets is no longer an effective option.

What do we do instead if we can't simply buy the media?

OHdem10 (1000+ posts)       Sat Sep-19-09 11:58 AM
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3. It appears nothing has been significant enough to move the left.

or I hope this is not true--the Left feels so hopeless that they cannot even move.

I prefer to believe the Left has not felt the pinch.

The old primitive:

old mark  (1000+ posts)      Sat Sep-19-09 12:11 PM
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4. Your cousin is correct. I'm another child of the '60's, and I can tell you that the Democrats main problem is that we fight more with each other than we do with the right. There are still people here who believe that RWers can be talked into rational thinking/behavior using kind common sense and loving guidance. These same Dems will foam at the mouth if another Dem espouses a slightly differing viewpoint, yet whine about treating the GOPers with respect and understanding.

Folks, the right is our ENEMY and they HATE US!!!!!

The American left has been threatened, beaten, and killed by the American right since the late 19th century and it is about time the left ****ing woke up th the fact that we must unite, at least for the coming congressional election.

The GOP has convinced iteslf, and of course bought the media to spread about, that they will gain seats in congress by doing nothing but insulting the intelligence of Americans, and selling out our country for capitalist dollars.

I love Democrats, and value our differences, but we must realize that the worst Democrat Blue Dog is a better electoral choice than the best Republican who ever drew breath. We might have the moral high ground, but they have the money and the media and no conscience. We cannot stop fighting them.

patrice  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-19-09 12:11 PM
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5. A significant minority of "the Left" has to all-extents-&-purposes left "the battlefield" 

The most confirmed in their understandings of what is best for our country will/are turning to or have already turned their attentions to building "new" grassroots economies, small enough to dedicate to collaboratively co - operative goals. They understand that they need to give everything they've got to this entrepreneurship, so they are absent the fray that embroils many of the rest of us.

I am in agreement with the focus of those, true Liberal Populists, who are trying to free themselves and others from Slavery to Trans-National War for Profit enterprises and other manifestations of Economic Royalism.

It's Time.

DCKit  (1000+ posts)        Sat Sep-19-09 03:09 PM
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6. It's not health care reform that should be driving us all buggy...but that it's devolved into health INSURANCE reform. No worries though. The Republicans won't vote in favor of any socially redeeming legislation on Obama's watch, and the corporate Dems won't vote for anything that doesn't maintain or increase insurance company profits (so forget the public option in this round). As is oft repeated here on the DU: "I don't need insurance, I need health care." We're not going to get actual HCR until we get a genuine "(D)-The People" majority in both houses of Congress.

As for taking back the media, it's going to take an act of Congress. Corporate controlled media is too big and too dangerous to exist. As is the case with all the other old laws that worked to prevent every disaster we've experienced over the past ten years, the rules on media ownership should never have been repealed, relaxed or rewritten. This Congress could change all that without any Republican input. With even the Blue Dogs suffering under such a blatantly biased media, it just might happen.

Your cousin may be left of left, but he's right.

[GOBUCKS]

blm  (1000+ posts)     Sat Sep-19-09 03:56 PM
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7. It's like REO Speedwagon is in heavy rotation while the Beatles can't even get a record deal.

What's wrong with REO Speedwagon??
I like their stuff a lot more than the Beatles.
Stupid DUmmy.

[Carl]

What's wrong with REO Speedwagon??
I like their stuff a lot more than the Beatles.
Stupid DUmmy.

Me too.


As far as the idiotic screed goes the simple answer is that a bill of goods (lies promising to do the impossible at no cost or sacrifice) was sold to the general public the last two election cycles.
It is what libs have to do to win.

Now they are trying to impliment what they want and having to face the reality of their lies and the populace isn`t accepting it considering what it really entails.

You lurking kooks are out in a fringe that your own party disowns except for hope of donations.
You have no influence anywhere and never will just God help us we can stop those that are trying to get us half way to your lunacy.

[Chris_]

He believes that liberals are the real American sheep for not letting their impotent rage burst into the streets. He’s a child of the 60s.

   I'd pay to see this, how about anyone else? 

[BEG]

If any of this crap was remotely true (except for the liberal sheep part)  Obama would have rammed healthcare through back in July before the August recess.  They know where the majority of Americas stand on the issues as they have their own pollsters and they are scared to death.  

[BlueStateSaint]

If any of this crap was remotely true (except for the liberal sheep part)  Obama would have rammed healthcare through back in July before the August recess.  They know where the majority of Americas stand on the issues as they have their own pollsters and they are scared to death.  

Umm . . . he tried, but Republicans demanded that everyone actually read the bill before voting on it . . .

[USA4ME]

The Oscar Wilde primitive's friend couldn't be more wrong.  It's because the libs have spoken up is the reason why they've marginalized themselves.  What they consider to be brilliant, normal people recognize as utter stupidity.

And this is hilarious...

DCKit

It's not health care reform that should be driving us all buggy...but that it's devolved into health INSURANCE reform. No worries though. The Republicans won't vote in favor of any socially redeeming legislation on Obama's watch, and the corporate Dems won't vote for anything that doesn't maintain or increase insurance company profits...

As for taking back the media, it's going to take an act of Congress. Corporate controlled media is too big and too dangerous to exist.

According to the primitive's viewpoint, the corporate owned Congress critters won't let the healthcare plan go though, but it's going to take an act of the corporate owned Congress to to vote against their own interests and change the media rules.  

Yes, you read that right.

BTW, the Beatles are better than REO Shi*wagon.    But the point the primitive was making is that, like the Beatles whose music will be remember down through the ages like that of Mozart or Bach, the songs of REO will be remembered like the songs of that great composer Lucious Schwartz.  Never heard of Lucious Schwartz?  Exactly.  The blm primitive is of the wrong opinion that the voices of the left are the one's who should be heard and remembered, and not some fly-by-night voices that, in the long run, won't be remembered.  But she's an idiot.

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[GOBUCKS]

BTW, the Beatles are better than REO Shi*wagon.    But the point the primitive was making is that, like the Beatles whose music will be remember down through the ages like that of Mozart or Bach, the songs of REO will be remembered like that great composer Lucious Schwartz.

I liked their first year or so, until they turned into hairy drug addicts. I've got nothing against hairy drug addicts, as long as they rock.
(Harrison later redeemed himself somewhat when he recorded with the Traveling Wilburys.)


Heeey, Jude...strawberry fields......ugh. A bunch of whiny, acid-laced, hippy puke. Immortalized by the whiny, acid-laced, hippy puke news media.

There were dozens of hairy drug addict bands that were miles better than the Beatles, who did at least pioneer the ***** rock genre, later perfected by Air Supply.

Hell, Spinal Tap beats the Beatles brains out, and they were just actors!

[USA4ME]

I liked their first year or so, until they turned into hairy drug addicts. I've got nothing against hairy drug addicts, as long as they rock.
(Harrison later redeemed himself somewhat when he recorded with the Traveling Wilburys.)

Heeey, Jude...strawberry fields......ugh. A bunch of whiny, acid-laced, hippy puke. Immortalized by the whiny, acid-laced, hippy puke news media.

There were dozens of hairy drug addict bands that were miles better than the Beatles, who did at least pioneer the ***** rock genre, later perfected by Air Supply.

Hell, Spinal Tap beats the Beatles brains out, and they were just actors!

I'm just goofing around, although the part about the Beatles music lasting through the ages over most rock-n-roll groups is likely to be true.  Them and Elvis, that's about it.

My wife likes REO and Journey, stuff like that.  I suffer through it in support.

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[terry]

If any of this crap was remotely true (except for the liberal sheep part)  Obama would have rammed healthcare through back in July before the August recess.  They know where the majority of Americas stand on the issues as they have their own pollsters and they are scared to death.  

It's amazing that they can't see the obvious.  They start with the premise, the left is the majority, everyone agrees with us.  Then they move to we're not getting what we want, we must take to the streets with our majority!!!  Then no one shows up for their protest, no one does anything.  They conclude "It appears nothing has been significant enough to move the left".   Most rational people would conclude that maybe the left as they define it, the anti capitalism, the communist, totally loony, totally miserable left really just doesn't exist in any significant number in this country.  Maybe they aren't moving because they aren't there.

You don't need the MSM to get your message out.  It doesn't take a lot of money to publish, you can start a website, a message board.  If people are interested in your message they will find you.  In fact the left has done all those things.  The problem is no one is interested in their message.    So they need to stifle everyone else's message because it's not fair that the conservatives have bigger numbers and bigger audience.  They just can't accept that they are wrong.