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Offline Chris_

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Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« on: September 18, 2009, 07:43:07 AM »


WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn't known about.

"They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it," the president said in the nationally televised address.

In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn't die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Mr. Raddatz's policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Mr. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.

Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Mr. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.

In a letter, Babs Waldman, medical director of the Illinois attorney general's office, excoriated the insurer, Fortis Health, which is now Assurant Health. Mr. Raddatz "suddenly faces not only life-threatening illness but now the inability to afford the only treatment that may help him," Dr. Waldman wrote to the insurer May 3, 2005.

Peter Duckler, a spokesman for Assurant Health, said the company "can never comment on an insured's coverage due to confidentiality issues."

The patient's sister, Peggy M. Raddatz, testified before the House Energy and Commerce oversight subcommittee June 16 that her brother ultimately received treatment that "extended his life approximately three years." Nowhere in the hearing did she say her brother died because of the delay. Ms. Raddatz didn't return calls seeking comment.[/quote]

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Expect Telly Prompter to have tire tracks shortly.  Teh Wun never gets HIS facts wrong.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 07:51:45 AM »
Have no fear.....the term "You Lie" has been outlawed.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 10:19:11 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on September 18, 2009, 07:51:45 AM
Have no fear.....the term "You Lie" has been outlawed.

Because if you say it, liberals hear "You lie, boy" in their heads.  Kind of like how they think "niggardly" is a racist term.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 11:19:57 AM »
LOL...
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How a factual error in Slate ended up in a White House speech

In his Sept. 9 health care speech to Congress, President Obama said:

"More and more Americans pay their premiums, only to discover that their insurance company has dropped their coverage when they get sick, or won't pay the full cost of care. It happens every day. One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it."

Both clauses in this last sentence were untrue, the Wall Street Journal reported Sept. 17. The insurance of the man in question, a 59-year-old Illinois restaurant owner named Otto Raddatz, did, indeed, get canceled by Fortis Insurance Co. (now Assurant Health) after he was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma under a commonplace and despicable practice called rescission that would be curtailed by every health care reform bill currently under consideration. But Raddatz's operation was not delayed fatally as a result. Raddatz's sister, an attorney, got the Illinois attorney general's office to move quickly on the matter, and even though the state failed in its initial attempt to overturn the rescission, it succeeded in its second. Raddatz got his operation within the necessary time window and lived three more years.

http://www.slate.com/id/2228706/pagenum/all/
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 02:11:58 PM »
YOU LIE!


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After I raised questions about its accuracy, President Obama has dropped from his last two health care speeches an inaccurate reference he made about the health care travails of an Illinois man, whom Obama claimed had died after his insurance company declined to pay for his cancer treatments.

When Obama spoke to Congress about health care reform on Sept. 9, he attempted to put a human face on his push for a provision barring insurance companies from dropping patients with pre-existing medical conditions.

While not citing the person's name, the president said: "One man from Illinois lost his coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because his insurer found that he hadn't reported gallstones that he didn't even know about. They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it."

It's just not true, which I pointed out in my Chicago Sun-Times column. I confirmed with the White House that the man Obama was referring to was Otto Raddatz, from a Chicago suburb. His insurance company did indeed yank his coverage in April 2005. But after a fight led by his sister, Peggy, an attorney and the Illinois attorney general, Raddatz got his coverage reinstated in a few weeks and never missed any needed treatments. And he did not die until Jan. 6, 2009.

I raised questions about the Obama claim with the White House on Sept 10. The White House told me that Obama's speechwriters picked up the story from Slate and never vetted the facts independently. If they had, they would have realized that the Slate report was erroneous.

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And this article was on AOL  homepage...AOL, normally left-slanted is now exposing Obama.....How sweet it is.... :-)



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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 03:40:16 PM »
He's been running around all over the country using "faulty ancedotes" to pimp for socialized medicine. I didn't know about that man and chemo, but I was aware of the lie referred to in the OP as well as that half-truth about the woman with breast cancer that was supposedly denied coverage by a mean old insurance company who gave an excuse that she didn't disclose acne in her medical history. But what Obama didn't say is that she failed to disclose previous heart problems and lied about her weight. Obama's doing the old liberal emotional appeal here, damned the facts, better just to distort them and lie.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 03:58:01 PM »
"I'll never forget the time..."

or

"This women said to me..."

is code for "I'm lying my ass off now and I think your too stupid to figure it out."
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 04:50:29 PM »
He also said that there would be no increase to the deficit resulting from this program....but said nothing about the few trillion dollars in increased taxes in order to do so.  Mouth-breathers applauded.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 04:53:19 PM »
How do you know Obama is lying?


His mouth is open.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 04:55:43 PM »
Quote from: Hawkgirl on September 18, 2009, 04:53:19 PM
How do you know Obama is lying?


He's breathing.
Fixt.  He can lie just as easily with a keyboard.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 04:59:17 PM »
Maybe it's anecdote told by his grandfather who saw FDR tell about it on TV during the Great Depression. You know, the grandfather that helped liberate Auschwitz. 
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 05:01:22 PM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on September 18, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Maybe it's anecdote told by his grandfather who saw FDR tell about it on TV during the Great Depression. You know, the grandfather that helped liberate Auschwitz. 
...or was it the FDR that liberated the 57th state on TV during the Depression?   :thatsright:
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2009, 05:16:49 PM »
Quote from: lug-nut on September 18, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
...or was it the FDR that liberated the 57th state on TV during the Depression?   :thatsright:


I knew Obama was a 2 bit snake oil salesman from day 1, but the second he claimed his grandfather helped liberate Auschwitz I knew he was a lying sack of you-know-what.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 09:00:58 PM »
Quote from: ColonialMarine0431 on September 18, 2009, 05:16:49 PM
I knew Obama was a 2 bit snake oil salesman from day 1, but the second he claimed his grandfather helped liberate Auschwitz I knew he was a lying sack of you-know-what.
Awwww, you just insulted a sack.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 09:08:56 PM »
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Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress

Is that a polite way of saying that 0Bama exaggerated or a very polite way of saying that he LIED?
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2009, 09:14:04 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on September 18, 2009, 09:08:56 PM
Is that a polite way of saying that 0Bama exaggerated or a very polite way of saying that he LIED?
Yes.
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2009, 09:43:18 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on September 18, 2009, 09:08:56 PM
Is that a polite way of saying that 0Bama exaggerated or a very polite way of saying that he LIED?

He lied. And the sheeple and the LSM ate it up. Most people should'nt be allowed near an election booth. When we saw this, we were amazed...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8&feature=PlayList&p=DEBBB443BE919646[/youtube]
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2009, 01:14:19 AM »
Quote from: Hawkgirl on September 18, 2009, 02:11:58 PM
YOU LIE!



And this article was on AOL  homepage...AOL, normally left-slanted is now exposing Obama.....How sweet it is.... :-)


AOL is using this to actually tell the truth for once, maybe twice, just to re-establish credibility....

They don't realize that you can't reclaim what you never had....
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2009, 02:02:16 PM »
hmm all you folks saying Obama lied makes this look like a KKK meeting.  :-)

Obama's story is fake but accurate.
The guy died in 24 business hours after being denied coverage.
And its all Bush's fault.

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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2009, 06:49:49 PM »
 ::) Now he's lying about his own daughter???

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/19/obama-fudging-another-health-care-horror-story/

Gtg, but he'll do anything to try to pimp his worthless ideas it seems.  :fuelfire:
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2009, 07:39:03 PM »
Quote from: Tess Anderson on September 19, 2009, 06:49:49 PM

Gtg, but he'll do anything to try to pimp his worthless ideas it seems.  :fuelfire:

Except subject himself and the clowns in Congress to the same grade of "Health Care", that is...
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2009, 10:46:58 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on September 19, 2009, 02:02:16 PM
hmm all you folks saying Obama lied makes this look like a KKK meeting.  :-)

Obama's story is fake but accurate.
The guy died in 24 business hours after being denied coverage.
And its all Bush's fault.


If I hear it is Bush's fault one more time I think I am going to scream
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2009, 08:04:06 AM »
Quote from: newbiered on September 19, 2009, 10:46:58 PM
Quote from: Freeper on September 19, 2009, 02:02:16 PM
hmm all you folks saying Obama lied makes this look like a KKK meeting.  :-)

Obama's story is fake but accurate.
The guy died in 24 business hours after being denied coverage.
And its all Bush's fault.


If I hear it is Bush's fault one more time I think I am going to scream
It's Bush's fault.
 :uhsure:
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Re: Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2009, 08:38:20 AM »
 :argh:
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