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villager (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-09-09 02:28 AMOriginal messagePoll question: If the "Democrats" pass a bill forcing you to buy health insurance, will you refuse? Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 02:29 AM by villagerPoll result (70 votes)Yes, I'll refuse. I'm overdue on some active civil disobedience. (33 votes, 47%) VoteYes, but mostly because I'm unemployed. There's no money for it. (23 votes, 33%) VoteNo -- I talk a good game, but withholding my money from the powerful is too darn scary. (2 votes, 3%) VoteKind of -- I'll change my citizenship instead (0 votes, 0%) VoteOther (12 votes, 17%) Vote
lilwunder (20 posts) Wed Sep-09-09 07:51 AMResponse to Reply #322. How will they know if we have insurance or not??? How will the government know if we have insurance or not? Who will be investigating the level of coverage American citizens have and deciding who should be fined? Is this something we would pass off onto the IRS to track? Im not sure if I would want the IRS in charge of this as well.
stuball111 (713 posts) Wed Sep-09-09 02:55 AMResponse to Original message7. And.. I'll just move back to Canada, where it's free Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top vadawg (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-09-09 03:24 AMResponse to Reply #710. lol, i too can move to where its free, but i think the point is to get it for everyone else lol
lilwunder (20 posts) Wed Sep-09-09 10:42 AMResponse to Reply #2730. right, they will be fined... 8% Exactly, and employer would be taxed, 8% of payroll if they do not provide insurance, that's what I said. The problem is almost ALL employer provided healthcare plans are over 15% payroll, why wouldn't they stop providing health benefits to save half of cost?
Javaman (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-09-09 09:36 AMResponse to Original message26. The concept of "forcing" anyone to do anything is completely assinine. Take a gigantic step back, do you honestly believe that people will be "forced" to buy health insurance? this is as bad as the ****ing death panel bullshit. jesus christ, folks, get a grip.
stuball111 (713 posts) Wed Sep-09-09 02:55 AMResponse to Original message7. And.. I'll just move back to Canada, where it's free
There's a reason why patriotism is considered a conservative value. Watch a Tea Party rally and you'll see people proudly raising the American flag and showing pride in U.S. heroes such as Thomas Jefferson. Watch an OWS rally and you'll see people burning the American flag while showing pride in communist heroes such as Che Guevera. --Bob, from some news site
If the "Democrats" pass a bill forcing you to buy health insurance, will you refuse?
DemonRats aren't going to force me to do anything! When they come to the door to enforce this POS, they better be prepared. This is still America last time I looked. Circling the sewer lately, but not yet down the drain.
demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Sep-09-09 03:23 AMResponse to Original message9. I will refuse. I will pay no Life Tax not because I want to engage in some civil disobediance, or because I am broke, but because it is the right thing to do.
They won't have to come to your door. It will be handled by the IRS.
Yes, nobody should fool themselves with any 'No pasaran!' posing, sincere or not. Unless you are entirely off-grid and living on a barter and cash-in-hand-only economic basis, the IRS has you by the nutsack and they can extract it from you will or no. It's only a question of how fast and how painfully.
Javaman (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-09-09 09:36 AMResponse to Original message26. The concept of "forcing" anyone to do anything is completely assinine. Take a gigantic step back, do you honestly believe that people will be "forced" to buy health insurance?this is as bad as the ******* death panel bullshit.jesus christ, folks, get a grip.
The Massachusetts health care reform law was enacted in 2006. It requires nearly every resident of Massachusetts to obtain health insurance coverage. Through the law, Massachusetts provides subsidized health care for residents earning up to 100% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL), and partially subsidized health care for those earning up to 300% of the FPL, depending on an income-based sliding scale. The law is credited with covering an additional 439,000 Massachusetts residents as of April 1, 2008.[1] The law established an independent public authority, the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority, also known as the Health Connector, which offers the subsidized coverage and facilitates the selection and purchase of private insurance plans by individuals and small businesses.[2][3] Incentives for residents to obtain health insurance coverage include tax penalties for failing to obtain an insurance plan. In 2007, Massachusetts tax filers who failed to enroll in a health insurance plan that was deemed affordable for them lost the $219 personal exemption on their income tax. In 2008, penalties increase by monthly increments, and are based on half of the cost of a health insurance plan.[4][5]The reform law was enacted as Chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006 of the Massachusetts General Court, entitled An Act Providing Access to Affordable, Quality, Accountable Health Care. In October 2006, January 2007, and November 2007, bills were enacted that amended and made technical corrections to the statute (Chapters 324 and 450 of the Acts of 2006, and chapter 205 of the Acts of 2007).[6]
