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"Today, I signed Executive Order 13510, authorizing eligibility for all Americans to Medicare..."   Updated at 7:57 PM
   
"regardless of age. I do this in order to end the healthcare crisis in the United States which is leading to the deaths of more than 18 thousand Americans per year. I leave it to Congress to address the budgetary and finance changes this will require, but as effective immediately, all Americans are currently eligible to enroll in Medicare.".

That's how Obama ought to begin his speech tomorrow.

And, it appears, he has the power to do this. This would be no more bold an executive order than the emancipation Proclamation, initiating a war with another country as was how the Kosovo War was began. The basis of the use is to further a law put forth by Congress in order to immediately save the lives of Americans.

In order to override this executive order, Congress will need to have a supermajority willing to overturn it.

If Obama is really staking his Presidency on this, this is how he can go about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6494234

I thought EO's were bad. :confused: oh that's right only if done by a Repuke, never mind.

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The primitive wants Dear Leader to be an arsonist and then leave Congress to loot the house before it burns down.  What a bunch of swell Marxists.   :loser:

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The Little Goons want Obama to run the entire country by Executive Order.  Who needs the electoral process when he can simply rule under the theory of "stroke of the pen...law of the land".
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Everyone gets covered by Medicare, my dad, and a lot of your parents and grandparents, die. Now, while is has serious issues, it's targeted towards that age group. When it's open to all, they start shifting priorities. That would be a BIG f'n mistake.
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The Little Goons want Obama to run the entire country by Executive Order.  Who needs the electoral process when he can simply rule under the theory of "stroke of the pen...law of the land".

Look who they hold in high esteem. ...and I'm thinking of Lenin, Stalin, Chavez, and Castro.
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...I leave it to Congress to address the budgetary and finance changes this will require...

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No surprise that only a few over there realize how ridiculous and illegal such a thing would be.

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These are the self-proclaimed gifted and talented Constitutional scholars?

When you are the beneficiary of someone’s kindness and generosity, it produces a sense of gratitude and community.

When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6494234

I thought EO's were bad. :confused: oh that's right only if done by a Repuke, never mind.




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The primitive wants Dear Leader to be an arsonist and then leave Congress to loot the house before it burns down.  What a bunch of swell Marxists.   :loser:

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This post is stupid on so many levels.  The President can do a surprising amount of stuff with EXORDS, but changing statutes isn't one of them, nor is rewriting appropriations.  Fiscal law would preclude any agency from rendering services to groups not covered by existing law, or paying claims from such services, since that would obligate the US Treasury without an identified appropriation from which to pay the obligation. 
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This post is stupid on so many levels.  The President can do a surprising amount of stuff with EXORDS, but changing statutes isn't one of them, nor is rewriting appropriations.  Fiscal law would preclude any agency from rendering services to groups not covered by existing law, or paying claims from such services, since that would obligate the US Treasury without an identified appropriation from which to pay the obligation. 

But do you honestly think that it would stop someone who views the Constitution as a "flawed doccument" from trying?

Reid and Pelosi would cover his @ss in Congress and the MSM would ignore it.
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But do you honestly think that it would stop someone who views the Constitution as a "flawed doccument" from trying?

Reid and Pelosi would cover his @ss in Congress and the MSM would ignore it.

You'd be surprised what effect the words "Anti-Deficiency Act violation" have on senior military and civil service personnel when it's their own ass on the line to actually sign something authorizing a payment.
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Re: "Today, I signed Executive Order 13510, authorizing eligibility for all Amer
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2009, 12:07:03 PM »
You'd be surprised what effect the words "Anti-Deficiency Act violation" have on senior military and civil service personnel when it's their own ass on the line to actually sign something authorizing a payment.

I had never heard of that, so I googled "Anti-Deficiency Act violation".  Now , I have another question.  Is a site ending in .mil part of the federal government, and by necessity a legitimate DOD site? The reason I ask, is that I got a "dangerous site warning for this site.  https://acc.dau.mil/CommunityBrowser.aspx?id=189849

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Might be the certificates aren't up to date.  www.dau.mil is the Defense Acquisition University website, which is DoD.
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Re: "Today, I signed Executive Order 13510, authorizing eligibility for all Amer
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2009, 12:29:53 PM »
Might be the certificates aren't up to date.  www.dau.mil is the Defense Acquisition University website, which is DoD.

I thought it had to be a legitimate site, so I ignored the warning.

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Speaking of unauthorized power grabbing, has the DU had anything to say about Cass Sustein today? 

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Re: "Today, I signed Executive Order 13510, authorizing eligibility for all Amer
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 01:03:09 PM »
Speaking of unauthorized power grabbing, has the DU had anything to say about Cass Sustein today? 

The most recent are two threads about Glenn Beck targeting him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6480759

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6488205