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Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« on: August 21, 2009, 06:28:17 AM »
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation. That is that we look out for one other, that I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper. And in the wealthiest nation on earth right now, we are neglecting to live up to that call.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540943,00.html

Don't try to make me feel guilty, Dipstick.  It won't work.  I take care of my family.   And if you are your Brother's keeper, and maybe also your Aunt's keeper.Why is your Brother living in a 6 x 9 hut with a mud floor in Kenya and your Aunt living in Section 8 Housing in Boston?
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2009, 06:30:55 AM »
Keep talking, Zero.  By the 300 day mark, people will be wanting GWB back.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2009, 06:32:46 AM »
So, Obama is finally taking care of his aunt and his brother in Kenya, huh?
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2009, 06:39:33 AM »
What libs will never understand is that Conservatives live that saying about being our brothers keeper by having jobs to take care of their families and friends.
It is pure selfishness to think that it means letting a government do it,it is personal sacrifice.
Go eff yourself O,you will never be a man among men,you will always be a power hungry manipulator that would piss on his own mothers grave if it meant getting ahead.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 08:16:02 AM »
This is going to piss people off on the right AND left.  This was a serious error in judgment and a grave mistake.  It feels greasy and manipulative. 
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 08:20:16 AM »
This coming from the guy who donated like, what, 0.6% of his income to charity until he got to the Senate?

Weak argument.  Stupid argument.  Last-ditch argument.  Thanks for all the laughs and encouragement Barry, you clown.

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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 09:02:17 AM »
Quote from: WMD Owl on August 21, 2009, 06:28:17 AM
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation. That is that we look out for one other, that I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper. And in the wealthiest nation on earth right now, we are neglecting to live up to that call.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540943,00.html

Don't try to make me feel guilty, Dipstick.  It won't work.  I take care of my family.   And if you are your Brother's keeper, and maybe also your Aunt's keeper.Why is your Brother living in a 6 x 9 hut with a mud floor in Kenya and your Aunt living in Section 8 Housing in Boston?

Hi folks,

This is maddening to me.  CAN THE PRESIDENT PLEASE EXPLAIN THE MORALITY OF RATIONING HEALTH CARE FOR SENIORS, MANY WHO MAY WELL HAVE SERVED THEIR COUNTRY IN BATTLE...WHILE THEY SPEND OUR TAX DOLLARS ON CARE FOR ILLEGALS?
The whole idea behind a republic is as you said, I take care of myself and my family, not the government.

BUTT OUT BO.....REMEMBER THIS FROM YOUR CHILDHOOD.....BO STINKS!

Sorry, this one pissed me off big time.

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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 12:24:44 PM »
How is health care moral? It is not a right to have one. Many people choose not have one.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 02:03:03 PM »
Yeah, hasn't it been a lynch-pin of their whole abortion position that morality has no place in individual healthcare decisions?  WTF, over?
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2009, 02:08:48 PM »
Wonder why he does crap like that?

Here IT IS:

According to the DSM-IV, the disorder begins by early adulthood and is indicated by the subject exhibiting at least five of the following:
1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance
2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or
ideal love
3. Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement
6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
7. Lacks empathy
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him
9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes


read it all here:

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/04/narcissism-and-society.html

Obama is a malignent narcissist.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2009, 03:06:03 PM »
oH, AND THIS, SAME SOURCE:

Much of the evil that humans do to each other comes as a result of Narcissistic Rage and Narcissistic Idealism. In the former case, we hear about or know individuals who manipulate, control, subjugate, hurt or kill others and they are able to do this because they do not consider other people as human or separate from their own Self; or because they are so enraged they are not capable of empathy.

We see stories of this happening all the time on the news, frequently exclaiming, "How could someone do that?" The ex-boyfriend who cannot accept that the woman has dared to withdraw her love and so must kill her (and often himself); the serial killer who does not experience others as really human. The pedophile who abuses then murders his child victim. Every petty criminal who believes implicitly that his feelings and desires are paramount and justify his behavior.

The second type of evil is more subtle, and it comes from the the opposite side of the Self. This side also does not see other people as individuals either; and instead sees them only as fodder for the expression of an IDEAL or as pawns for an Omnipotent Object (e.g., a dictator). People with this Idealizing Narcissistic defect (and by the way, such people are also capable of Narcissistic Rage when thwarted) completely reject the needs of the individual and enslave him or her to their IDEAL. Eventually, the enslavement--whether religious or secular--snuffs out human ambition, confidence, energy and self-esteem. These "do-gooders" cause considerable human misery and their ideologies can lead to genocidal practices and unbelievable atrocities on a grand scale, all in the name of the IDEAL or GOD.

Or, as C.S. Lewis wrote:

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
In Part III, I will discuss the fragmentation of the Self that occurs when adult individuals with narcissistic vulnerabilities (i.e. , those who do not develop a fully Cohesive Self) and the political and social proclivities that our essential Narcissism stimulates .

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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2009, 03:39:39 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on August 21, 2009, 02:03:03 PM
Yeah, hasn't it been a lynch-pin of their whole abortion position that morality has no place in individual healthcare decisions?  WTF, over?
But abortions will also be funded.

ObamaCare: Keeping your brother...but only if you really want to.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2009, 03:40:52 PM »
Keep in mind that the left plays word games.

They say things like health care, when what they are really talking about is health care insurance.

There is a HUGE difference.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2009, 05:10:43 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on August 21, 2009, 03:40:52 PM
Keep in mind that the left plays word games.

They say things like health care, when what they are really talking about is health care insurance.

There is a HUGE difference.

Actually, what they are talking about, rather not talking about is taking more control of peoples lives. That is their whole purpose with the way the bill is worded.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2009, 06:15:35 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on August 21, 2009, 05:10:43 PM
Actually, what they are talking about, rather not talking about is taking more control of peoples lives. That is their whole purpose with the way the bill is worded.

True..  But I was breaking it down to the topic at hand.

The Repubs do it too, just in a different fashion.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2009, 07:10:45 PM »
Morals....ain't that some kindda mushroom....you know, you feed'em shit and keep'em in the dark.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2009, 07:57:46 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on August 21, 2009, 06:15:35 PM
True..  But I was breaking it down to the topic at hand.

The Repubs do it too, just in a different fashion.

Regardless of party, it seems every new program takes away a little or a lot of personal freedom.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2009, 11:46:13 PM »
By the time the next POTUS is chosen we will have nothing left to be given to chose
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2009, 06:16:12 AM »
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation. That is that we look out for one other, that I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper. And in the wealthiest nation on earth right now, we are neglecting to live up to that call.

Hmmm. In the last few days zero seems to be trying to use the Bible to scam folks. The other day he complained to religious leaders that folks were "bearing false witness" about his health care scam. Now he's playing the "my brother's keeper" card.

Apparently the big zero equates explaining the truth of his health care scam as "bearing false witness". It sort of reminds me of Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

As to the "my brother's keeper" thing, that is from the story of Cain and Abel. The strange thing is that God never did tell Cain that he was his brother's keeper. I would think that zero would be better served to focus on the story of the good Samaritan instead. In this story a Samaritan finds an injured man on the road. The Samaritan gave him first aid and took him to an inn. Then the Samaritan paid the inn keeper to tend to him. There is still a problem. It's the same problem that the libs always tend to have when trying to pervert the Bible to their purposes. This story is about an INDIVIDUAL of his own free will helping another person. NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

As far as I know there is no where in the Bible that says the government should steal money from one person and give it to another person.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2009, 07:26:21 AM »
Quote from: ChuckJ on August 23, 2009, 06:16:12 AM
Hmmm. In the last few days zero seems to be trying to use the Bible to scam folks. The other day he complained to religious leaders that folks were "bearing false witness" about his health care scam. Now he's playing the "my brother's keeper" card.

Apparently the big zero equates explaining the truth of his health care scam as "bearing false witness". It sort of reminds me of Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

As to the "my brother's keeper" thing, that is from the story of Cain and Abel. The strange thing is that God never did tell Cain that he was his brother's keeper. I would think that zero would be better served to focus on the story of the good Samaritan instead. In this story a Samaritan finds an injured man on the road. The Samaritan gave him first aid and took him to an inn. Then the Samaritan paid the inn keeper to tend to him. There is still a problem. It's the same problem that the libs always tend to have when trying to pervert the Bible to their purposes. This story is about an INDIVIDUAL of his own free will helping another person. NOT THE GOVERNMENT.

As far as I know there is no where in the Bible that says the government should steal money from one person and give it to another person.
This is about as close as you will get.

"Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars' and unto god that which is gods."

They get confused as which one is supposed to do what with said monies.

....and to quote Ray Stevens, "If 10% is good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for Uncle Sam."
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2009, 02:17:31 PM »
 Yep, ChuckJ, that's what Cain asked God after he had killed his brother. One of Obama's live in abject poverty in a hut while he's vacationing at Martha's Vineyard. Hypocrite.

::) Trying to pimp this program to the Christians now. Too bad he didn't give them (including me) a Happy Easter message, but went out of his way to wish everyone a Happy Ramadan - then went on vacation.
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Re: Obama's "Moral" argument for Health Care.
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2009, 05:35:48 PM »
Hi,

I am still fuming about this issue.  Decided to try to send O'Reilly an email, wonder if he will respond or put it on his show.  I used a subject line of : "Father O'reilly can you please explain something to me?"

Regards,
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Hi Bill,
 
This is probably too long for you to use for TV unless you have some terrific editors.  I saw where the president is trying to appeal to the religious leaders of this country selling his health care plan on the basis of morality.
 
Our family, like millions in this country, is now in the 8th generation.  Our ancestors built this country, sacrificed for this country, many served this country in times of peace and in times of war, and yes some paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect the freedom we have today.  Bill, as you well know, that is what Americans do, it is part of being a citizen.
 
My wife and I attended a town hall meeting Friday night hosted by our local congressman, Don Manzullo.  He had the house bill right in front of him.  When asked a question he was well prepared, he would go into the bill, read the bill, then explain what it meant.  When asked about a government pay option, he flat said that it was designed so there was no other option, it would drive the insurance industry out of business.  When asked about rationing care, he read the passages and said something to the effect that the result of what was written would definitely lead to rationing health care for many citizens. (You might consider having him on the show as a guest asking him to do what we saw Friday night)
 
Perhaps Father O'Reilly can help me understand something.  Can you explain the logic and morality of a health care bill that would deny or ration care for American citizens (Not just seniors), yet on the other hand would take our limited tax dollars and spend it treating folks who are in this country illegally?
 
I am sick and tired about hearing illegal immigrants scream about their rights.  The only right they have is to go stand in line just like our ancestors did.
 
Thanks for listening,
 
 

 
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