A message to the Taxophobes

[Freeper]

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A message to the Taxophobes
   
"Oh we have it SOOOOO bad here in the USA. They tax us so much!" you whine like petulant children.

Yes, about 30-40% of your paycheck goes to taxes. Sound bad? Try living somewhere else.

Like the UK: Over there you do not hire a tax preparer. The government does not trust you like ours does to pay the right amount. Here, you just need fill out a form saying how much you made, include the statements and deductions. In the UK, you see a Tax official who TELLS YOU how much to pay. And its not always based on income - it can be based on how much your profession is supposed to make, rather than the amount you already did make. There is no Tax Accountant you can go to to pay less taxes, or find loopholes. If you are really rich, you can hire a Tax lawyer - but the deck is still stacked against you.

Try Canada: Sure, they trust you a little more, but consider your measly 30-40% goes up to a much higher 60-70% in taxes.

In the US we pay the least taxes for an industrialized nation of its size. Yet we still whine like little babies, thinking that the 30% we pay in taxes is really OURS! Well, it isn't. When you drove to work, to make your money, you drove on government roads. Government police protected you from getting mugged, carjacked, etc. They also made sure the house you bought was safe, and the banks you put your money into solvent. So in the end, that 30% is not yours, its the government's. You already used the services, now time to pay up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6354135

To those of who value freedom 30 to 40% is way too high. And I bet you many people throughout the nation are paying in excess of 50% of their income to taxes in some shape or form already.

The funny part about this post is the reason that the countries you mentioned tax so high is because of free health care and other socialist programs.

I guarantee if this moron had to pay 70% of his earnings he would be a taxaphobe too.

[Carl]

Yet they think that healthcare will come "free" to them.
All those countries have socialized medicine and in part at least is why taxes are so high.

Effen idiots.

[Freeper]

Yet they think that healthcare will come "free" to them.
All those countries have socialized medicine and in part at least is why taxes are so high.

Effen idiots.

It will be free to them though odds are they all fall in the lowest tax brackets and probably get more in refunds than they paid in anyway.

[tuolumnejim]

I wonder if the brain dead DUmmy knows that the "Government" doesn't own anything, everything they use is held in PUBLIC trust.  

[GOBUCKS]

In the US we pay the least taxes for an industrialized nation of its size.

The DUmmy has hit on why, despite the best efforts of the democrat party, America is still the greatest
place to live in the history of mankind.

[Celtic Rose]

Complete Self-Ownage by the DUmmie.Yes, we think our taxes are too high, and we know that more the Government get involved in anything, the higher our taxes will be. 

We are trying to avoid massive 70% tax rates here, why don't you help us and stop supporting the idea of socialized medicine 

[Freeper]

Complete Self-Ownage by the DUmmie.Yes, we think our taxes are too high, and we know that more the Government get involved in anything, the higher our taxes will be. 

We are trying to avoid massive 70% tax rates here, why don't you help us and stop supporting the idea of socialized medicine 

I love it when they try to make a point and end up defending conservatism. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

So if our taxes are higher, we are more like Canada?  And if they are higher still, we are more like UK?  Damn', we need to be cutting the tax rate PDQ!!!

 

[franksolich]

For historical perspective here:

An early-medieval serf gave circa 33% of what he produced, to his lord, in exchange for protection and security.

A slave in the 1840s America "gave" circa 50% of what he produced, to the slaveowner, in exchange for food and board.

Now, of course these weren't voluntary contributions, and what I really mean is that the upkeep of a serf was equivalent to 33% of what the serf provided, and the upkeep of a slave was equivalent to 50% of what the slave provided.

How's that compare with our present situation?

Think about it.

[BEG]

I don't want to hear anything about taxes from a group that pay little to no tax to begin with. Until one of you losers at DU pay close to the same as we do just keep your mouth shut.

[Happy Fun Ball]

thinking that the 30% we pay in taxes is really OURS! Well, it isn't.

[Mythbusters]Well, there's your problem.[/Mythbusters]

You seem to think that the government is supposed to be some all-powerful nanny provider and whatever pittance we receive from the government is only due to their mercy and generosity. Well, I'll let you in on a little secret...come closer so I can whisper it...closer.........IT'S NOT! We the people make the money. We the people run the economy, and without an economy, the only way the government can get any money is by printing it, and of course, that way will only end in disaster. Sure, taxes are necessary, but taxes that are too high only stifles growth, and will actually reduce the very revenue the government tries to collect. And raising taxes further will only exacerbate the problem. It's like the chinese finger puzzle. Try to pull your fingers apart and you only tighten the grip, and if you pull too hard, you'll only tear the thing apart (if it's a cheap one, that is).

Now, let's go the other way. Since you like taxes so much, how about we raise them, to....say....100%. I mean, it's the government's money, right? Why should we lowly peasants be able to keep anything at all when the blessed government is in such massive debt? Oh wait, I forgot. You just want to tax all those eeeeeeeevil rich people who are committing sacrilege by having too much money.

Now, let's say that there was a 100% tax on the rich (or in your eyes, anyone making more than you), and we somehow managed to collect just enough to pay all of our debts. What about future debts? I mean, the government isn't going to just stop all spending once they pay off their debts now. Nooooooo. They'll go into overdrive. How will the government pay for them, since there's no more money left to tax, and the economy would be non-existent?

And finally, if it is the government's money, why should we work at all? If all of the money is just a gift from up on high and not earned from hard work, then why even bother? We'd just sit on our lazy rumps and let the Great Pumpkin shower us with ponies and rainbows and everyone will be happy and will have no cares in the world. Well sorry, bub, it doesn't quite work like that, as you'll soon discover if you ever get your way. In reality, the resulting inflation will devalue the dollar so much that no one will buy our debt anymore and the country will be bankrupt in a decade...if we're lucky.

And no, raising taxes will not work at that point.

[blitzkrieg_17]

Yeah, it is my money, dickhead. I worked, my boss signed the paycheck made out in MY name. So shove it up your ass, you freeloading c**klicker.

[USA4ME]

In summary - "You think 30-40% is bad, try 60-70% or the gov't telling you how much to pay."

Was that some kind of weird attempt to make a convincing argument??

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[MrsSmith]

Yes, about 30-40% of your paycheck goes to taxes. Sound bad? Try living somewhere else.

Like the UK:
...
Try Canada:

This is some kind of advertisement for the socialist agenda?  Which side is he on??  Some DUmmies actually have jobs and income!!   

 

[md11hydmec]

Well DUmmie, its like this.  Using your road and house example, is it fair that I have to pay more to drive the same roads as you, the same distance as you? I think not.  I'm paying more for less use.  You're paying more for less use.  You are a complete idiot, and the only case you made was for conservatism.

[dandi]

When you drove to work, to make your money, you drove on government roads. Government police protected you from getting mugged, carjacked, etc. They also made sure the house you bought was safe, and the banks you put your money into solvent. So in the end, that 30% is not yours, its the government's. You already used the services, now time to pay up.

I've got no problem with that, though I believe my money is mine until I count it out, cut the check, EFT, whatever.

(How would you like it if your credit card company started garnishing your wages as soon as you charged something? I mean, you already used their services, so your money now belongs to them, right?)

Nope, no problem with the roads and the cops and the military and common sense public safety expenditures.

It's you entitlement-sucking, worthless POSs who think part of my paycheck belongs to YOU via the gubmint for more and more cash and services simply by virtue of you being born in the same country as I and the fact that I make more money than you. That goes for your border-jumping buddies, too, and all your pet boondoggle bullshit creations like the National Endowment For The Arts, the Dept. Of Education, the EPA and a hundred other masses of dead weight that do nothing but create drag on our economy.

[Rebel]

This is why those damn idiots are the ones who would never survive if Darwinism was in place in this country. They need other people to do things for them and make their decisions, and they have no problem paying PREMIUM+ to get it done, only to get E85-style services. We, on the other hand, want as little government as possible as we're f'n SMART ENOUGH to do things and make decisions ON OUR OWN.