Is it time for the progressives to consider a primary challenger to Obama in 201

[Freeper]

grahamhgreen  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Aug-17-09 11:23 AM
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Is it time for the progressives to consider a primary challenger to Obama in 2012?
   
Is it time for the progressives to consider a primary challenger to Obama in 2012?

Now that it looks like he may give in to corporate interests on health-care, is it time for progressives and liberals to consider the possibility of running a primary challenger to the president in 2012? Most of our other issues have been washed over already.

This might help separate out our philosophy from that of the corporate controlled dems.

That being (if I may be so bold):

Universal health care for every American.
Ending poverty and homelessness.
Out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Ending wars for profit.
Prosecuting crimes committed under the previous administration - including possible war crimes.
Returning manufacturing and other outsourced jobs to the USA.
Renewable/unlimited energy.
End global warming.
Environment over profits.
Ending rendition and torture.
Closing Gitmo.
Breaking up monopolistic corporations and banks.
etc......


Right now, if health care fails because Obama refused to push for single-payer or national health, the credit will be given by the media to the right wing PR firms & deathers for killing the bill, when the real reason it may fail is because Obama refuses to motivate and mobilize the core people who put him in the White House - the progressive wing of the Democratic party.

It may be time to start some grumbling about a primary challenger in order to encourage Obama to move back to his roots.

He is, after all, essentially a mediator, and will want to placate us by adopting some of our positions to quell the movement, I would hope.

If not, we will let the American people know that there are those of us who know the only way we can truly move forward is by standing up to, not caving in to, corporate interests.

Is it time to consider such an option?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6326447

 

timeforpeace  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Aug-17-09 12:30 PM
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36. Are you suggesting this because he is black? Isn't it racist to oppose him?
   

Now that is funny.

grahamhgreen  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Aug-17-09 02:15 PM
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45. Simple. A no-brainer. Go back to the 91% top tax rate of Eisenhower, release
   
drug possession prisoners. Stop funding wars for profit, etc.

Use the money saved to start a dole system similar what is used in the enlightened social democracies of Europe and Australasia.

It is a fault of capitalism that in any capitalist system there will be unemployment.

Therefore, these people will either go hungry or be forced to commit crimes, unless we provide a stipend for them.

Therefore, since it costs $50,000+- to keep someone in jail for a year, it is cheaper for all of us to provide these people with a small stipend of say $12,000 a year.

Thus ending poverty - it's a no-brainer!

Is 12k a living wage? 

DeadEyeDyck  (247 posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Aug-17-09 11:46 AM
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27. and what message would that send to the world
   
when we replace the president who has won with the biggest majority since FDR?

 

[franksolich]

What the fudge?

.....when we replace the president who has won with the biggest majority since FDR?

0bama won the White House in 2008 by about the same margin George Bush won the White House in 2004.

Landslides since FDR:

Eisenhower (R) in 1952
Eisenhower (R) in 1956
Johnson (D) in 1964
Nixon (R) in 1972
Reagan (R) in 1980
Reagan (R) in 1984
Bush (R) in 1988

I don't see Pa Kettle on that list.

[Freeper]

What the fudge?

0bama won the White House in 2008 by about the same margin George Bush won the White House in 2004.

Landslides since FDR:

Eisenhower (R) in 1952
Eisenhower (R) in 1956
Johnson (D) in 1964
Nixon (R) in 1972
Reagan (R) in 1980
Reagan (R) in 1984
Bush (R) in 1988

I don't see Pa Kettle on that list.

But * stole the election remember? so that doesn't count 

[Ralph Wiggum]

What, no mention of fixing gay marriage?

[franksolich]

But * stole the election remember? so that doesn't count 

Yeah, yeah.

In 2000, George Bush probably actually won the popular vote, but a dead vote is as good as a live vote, and multiple votes by one person count as multiple votes, and so the numbers didn't add up.

[Ralph Wiggum]

But * stole the election remember? so that doesn't count 

Hell, some DUmmies think that Reagan and Nixon stole their elections too.  I think I saw TIA try to prove that once.

[franksolich]

Hell, some DUmmies think that Reagan and Nixon stole their elections too.  I think I saw TIA try to prove that once.

There was one primitive one time--not the Tits-in-Ass primitive, though--who tried to "prove" that Mundane "almost" won Georgia in 1984.

Yeah, right.

[BadCat]

We could make a small fortune by printing up "Dean/Kucinich 2012" bumper stickers right now.

[franksolich]

We could make a small fortune by printing up "Dean/Kucinich 2012" bumper stickers right now.

Pedro Picasso:

Atman  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-17-09 11:37 AM
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19. Is it time for you to start thinking in the here and now, and not 2012?

Dear lord, man, come down off the ledge. It hasn't even been a year yet!

[Freeper]

Hell, some DUmmies think that Reagan and Nixon stole their elections too.  I think I saw TIA try to prove that once.

Chicken wire and cinder blocks don't always work out right. 

[Freeper]

Yeah, yeah.

In 2000, George Bush probably actually won the popular vote, but a dead vote is as good as a live vote, and multiple votes by one person count as multiple votes, and so the numbers didn't add up.

We will never know the real count. I am convinced that Bush won though.

[The Village Idiot]

Universal health care for every American.

Paid for by who?

Ending poverty and homelessness.

Will 12K a year do it?

Out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

OKay, why not?

Ending wars for profit.

When have we ever made a profit?

Prosecuting crimes committed under the previous administration - including possible war crimes.

You realize the "previous regime" would be Obama right?

Returning manufacturing and other outsourced jobs to the USA.

and how will you do that?? make it tax free? cut all those regulations?

Renewable/unlimited energy.

lol. That does not even exist except with nuke power

End global warming.

We did that 12 years ago, now we going into an ice age

Environment over profits.

and exactly how does that bring "manufacturing" jobs back??

Ending rendition and torture.

More Obama crimes!!

Closing Gitmo.

Those terrorists can live with you


Breaking up monopolistic corporations and banks.

and government??
etc......

[The Village Idiot]

So much crazy in so little space

[GOBUCKS]

Is 12k a living wage?

No, but it seems like a fortune to DUmmy grahamhgreen.
He can't quite do the math, but figures it would finance a
hell of a stash.

[DumbAss Tanker]

What the fudge?

0bama won the White House in 2008 by about the same margin George Bush won the White House in 2004.

Landslides since FDR:

Eisenhower (R) in 1952
Eisenhower (R) in 1956
Johnson (D) in 1964
Nixon (R) in 1972
Reagan (R) in 1980
Reagan (R) in 1984
Bush (R) in 1988

I don't see Pa Kettle on that list.

I'm sure the idiot is looking at total votes cast for him, not what they represent as a percentage of the participating electorate.  A typically simple-minded attempt to lie through misuse of an out-of-context fact. 

[Wineslob]

We could make DUmmies heads explode by printing up "Cheney/Bush" 2012" bumper stickers right now.

FIXED

[LC EFA]

Is it time for the progressives to consider a primary challenger to Obama in 2012

This is a simply brilliant idea.

The more discord you sow in your own ranks the better.

It siphons votes away from Bambi which makes it more likely that whatever lame duck the RINO party nominates this time will have a chance of winning the race.

[Airwolf]

FIXED

Oh no, we need a Rove/Palin 2012 sticker

[sofa king]

Universal health care for every American.

Paid for by who?

haven't you been reading at dummyland?  not only does free-healthcare-for-all pay for itself, it actually saves us money!

i don't quite know how adding millions of uninsured and opening the floodgate for every citizen (or not) to run to a doctor over every hangnail or sad thought will not bankrupt those of us who actually contribute to society, but the dummys swear it is true.

and they must know.  i read every day how much smarter than the rest of us they are.


 

[The Village Idiot]

Smarter than we are but yet they all dound depressed, mdrug adled and can't keep jobs

[USA4ME]

There's a site called progressiveindependent that's primarily a collection of primitives who were tossed off the island.  They're looney as can be, but I will give them credit for being true to their beliefs and not selling them down the river, unlike what the primitives have done since Jan 20th (and prior).  Skin's island has become little more than "What did Dear Leader tell us to believe today?"

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[LC EFA]

There's a site called progressiveindependent that's primarily a collection of primitives who were tossed off the island.  They're looney as can be, but I will give them credit for being true to their beliefs and not selling them down the river, unlike what the primitives have done since Jan 20th (and prior).  Skin's island has become little more than "What did Dear Leader tell us to believe today?"

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As I remember it, DU was originally started to be either a mouthpiece for the Democrats or a place where the crazier internet democrat denizens could be contained, depending on how you see the situation.

As can be expected - they are required to tow the party line no matter how inane, contradictory or outright ridiculous it may be. Many of the real extremists and lunatics have been deemed hostile to the party line and sent on their merry way. It was a group like this that founded PI.

[WMD Owl]

I think if the pressure is maintained at the current level in the House the "co-op" won't make it.  The Hardcore Lefty Committee Chairmen won't let it--and Pelosi won't let it-- it will be "Public Option" or nothing at all out of the House.

Let the Senate pass the "Co-Op" and then it will be the Conference Committee from Hell.  

No way anything will pass.  And the Democrats will be looking to blame someone--so you have a possible mutiny against Hoyer and Pelosi.

The more infighting among Demo-rats, the less damage they can do.  Sit back and enjoy the show, because nobody can committ political suicide better than a Demo-rat.  

[Rebel]

WMD, you're going to LOVE the DUmp. Man, as long as I've known you, this is going to be comic relief for you. These people are 1/10th stupider than RobertN.

[The Village Idiot]

WMD, you're going to LOVE the DUmp. Man, as long as I've known you, this is going to be comic relief for you. These people are 1/10th stupider than RobertN.

I have decided to start my own online political party