In the entire history of the world, has there ever been a political philosophy

[Attero Dominatus]

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leftofthedial  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-24-08 12:16 PM
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In the entire history of the world, has there ever been a political philosophy
   
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that has failed so utterly, so swiftly as the American "conservative" philosophy?

I can think of no other approach to governance or to the management of an economy that has been such an unmitigated disaster.

State capitalism (Stalinesque "Communism") was pretty unsuccessful, but it lasted three quarters of a century. Nazism flamed out quickly, but hasn't really gone away, thriving wherever capitalists rule. The German Reich was brought down, not by a failure of the Nazis to govern, but by the megalomaniacal overreaching of its leaders.

American "conservatives" have had control of this country for seven years, thirty at the extreme outside, if you consider raygun as the birth of the death of our country. In that brief eyeblink of time, they've managed to take the world's wealthiest superpower and turn it into a 90-pound weakling, with a broken military, a fanatically divided populace, an economy that won't recover for a generation or longer, a crumbling out-dated infrastructure, a mass ignorant population with no skills to take themselves into the future, a completely dysfunctional educational system, a health-care system that is the envy of NO ONE except the insurance industry, and a political system so corrupt and so controlled by corporations that it can no longer even be considered "government" in any real sense of the word.

And we still are awash in ignorant SUV-driving gomers and goobers who think of themselves as "conservatives," even as their loved ones die from lack of health care, they lose their jobs by the tens of thousands, their homes are taken . . .

Maybe we *should* all support the arrogant tool of the oligarchs, Nader, not because he espouses ideals more attuned to Democratic ideals than either of the "democratic" candidates, but because it is a sure way to put John McCrazy-McBush in the White House, thus ensuring that this Untied States of Moronica will hit bottom sooner and harder. Maybe then we can rebuild a country worth living in.

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Umm, idiot, what you call "state capitalism" IS communism/socialism. And the nazis were socialists too. And communism IS a failure.

blues90  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-24-08 03:38 PM
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19.  We have had a phony world as long as I have been alive
   
At 59 i do realize everything has been a sales pitch for the shear motive of moving products whether the products were toasters and are now human labor .

I find it almost beyond belief that most people are part of this political race if they know what's going on at all . I think the few who do vote , vote in the moment based on which sales pitch has been driven into their conscience the deepest .

It's a scam and a macabra of a joke on a mass scale far beyond what has ever happened before .

We are told we have choices however , what are they other than a glimpse into a fast moving blur of colors and banners and fancy slogans where you grab what you can before your arm gets taken off .

I look at the political world much like the world of product selection where there are 100 brands of tooth paste where all serve the same purpose yet they are sold as special and different .

The world of advertisment is a well advanced science based on sparking an emotion even if it is deep within the sub- conscience mind .

If you use just the example of plastic surgery where women are made to feel the breast implant of the injection to produce plumped up lips will make your life somehow better , I have to wonder how blured the vision is of these people when they look into the mirror , what do they really see , what is realy there or what their mind has been programed to ignore .
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rainy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-24-08 01:19 PM
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15. The problem with Afghanistan is that too many outsiders try to manipulate
   
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 01:20 PM by rainy
the government there for pipelines etc... This creates a void for extremists to fill. The natural leaders that the people of Afghanistan would choose are made to look like villains so that the puppet leaders can be installed.
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leftofthedial  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-24-08 12:57 PM
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12. the conservatives, paleo-conservatives, whatever you want to call them
   
are the root of the problem. They, not neocons, are the reason raygun was elected twice and bushes--friggin bushes!--were "elected three times. Long before the neocons stole power inside the "conservative" movement, the paleo-conservatives were dedicated to a destroy-America agenda.

They abhor taxes--ALL taxes. They have sought relentlessly to destroy public education since the 1940s. They have sought relentlessly to destroy unions. They have sought relentlessly to overturn Social Security and all other vestiges of the New Deal. Neocons just added rabid American imperialism and domestic totalitarianism to the mix.
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leftofthedial  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-24-08 01:01 PM
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13. American Conservativism has been pursuing its agenda since their coup against FDR failed
   
they've fought the New Deal ever since.

America has *never* had a truly liberal government--even FDR was just moderate by global political standards.

But the conservatives have not enjoyed unfettered control until 1994 when they took Congress and worked with a conservative President Clinton to implement a radical "free" trade agenda, began dismantling the social safety net and set the stage for the coup of 2000.


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Bill Clinton? Conservative? pfft 

[dandi]

Since the DUmmy version of liberal government is a pure socialist state, haven't we pretty much had a conservative government since, oh, around 1789? Seems to have worked out fairly well.

[Chris_]

If you think the Clintons are conservative, you're left of Chavez.

[TheSarge]

Bill Clinton? Conservative? pfft 

Anything less than Stalin...Mau or Fidel is "conservative" to the DUmmies.

[Uhhuh35]

leftofthedial  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-24-08 12:57 PM
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12. Long before the neocons stole power inside the "conservative" movement, the paleo-conservatives were dedicated to a destroy-America agenda. They abhor taxes--ALL taxes. They have sought relentlessly to destroy public education since the 1940s.

Yeah that's why we put the NEA in charge of it. HAH! 

[Bondai]

leftofthedial  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Feb-24-08 12:57 PM
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12. Long before the neocons stole power inside the "conservative" movement, the paleo-conservatives were dedicated to a destroy-America agenda. They abhor taxes--ALL taxes. They have sought relentlessly to destroy public education since the 1940s.

You are a level 10 idiot.....

[franksolich]

Anything less than Stalin...Mao or Fidel is "conservative" to the DUmmies.

Actually, the primitives don't know excresence about political ideologies, and the variations thereof.

To the primitives, a "right winger" is just someone the primitives don't like, even if the "right winger" happens to be Leon Trotsky (although admittedly I haven't run across a primitive who disliked Trotsky).

That's all "right winger" means to primitives; someone the primitives don't like.

The primitives don't know excresence about shit.

[Attero Dominatus]

Orsino  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Feb-25-08 07:06 PM
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39. It hasn't failed completely...
   
...as corporate conservatism guarantees that media outlets are bought up by corporate conservatives, muzzling the marketplace of ideas and artificially prolonging conservatism.

Conservatism is indeed failing, but it's also a trap that prevents our extricating ourselves until disaster strikes. I am very much afraid that our nation can only change by collapsing.
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In other words, DUmbass, you wish this country would be destroyed.

lumberjack_jeff  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Feb-25-08 05:23 PM
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36. The cornerstone of ideological conservatism is ignorance.
   
Without ignorance, the rest of the structure composed of intolerance, greed, self-aggrandizement, belligerence and myopic self-interest, cannot stand.
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