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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2009, 08:13:59 AM »
Quote from: Carl on July 29, 2009, 06:10:14 PM
That was always the intent anyways for the entire program.
Maybe it is an urban myth but I have often heard that at the time 65 was still the threshold to collect but the average life expectancy was 63.



Not even that.  In 1936, 2 of 3 people didn't live to age 65.  Today, over 2 in 3 make it to that point.  A person born in 1936 might have had a life expectancy of 63, but that certainly wasn't the case prior to that.

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It's worse than I thought.  Average life expectancy for someone born in 1900 was 47 years.  33 years if you were black.  In 1850, average life expectancy at birth was 38 years, mostly due to infant mortality.  If you made it to age 10 in 1850, you could reasonably expect to live to the ripe old age of 58.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2009, 09:36:20 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on July 30, 2009, 08:13:59 AM
Not even that.  In 1936, 2 of 3 people didn't live to age 65.  Today, over 2 in 3 make it to that point.  A person born in 1936 might have had a life expectancy of 63, but that certainly wasn't the case prior to that.

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It's worse than I thought.  Average life expectancy for someone born in 1900 was 47 years.  33 years if you were black.  In 1850, average life expectancy at birth was 38 years, mostly due to infant mortality.  If you made it to age 10 in 1850, you could reasonably expect to live to the ripe old age of 58.

Gotta wonder how much those numbers where skewed by the Civil War, and the two World Wars though.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2009, 11:32:29 AM »
Quote from: djones520 on July 30, 2009, 09:36:20 AM
Gotta wonder how much those numbers where skewed by the Civil War, and the two World Wars though.

Not nearly as much as you might think.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2009, 11:43:43 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on July 30, 2009, 11:32:29 AM
Not nearly as much as you might think.

Civil War, something like 700K died. WWII, about 500K. WWI far less.

Until we start talking millions of deaths, there wouldn't be much impact. Sparky's correct, I'd say.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2009, 11:54:55 AM »
Quote from: Eupher on July 30, 2009, 11:43:43 AM
Civil War, something like 700K died. WWII, about 500K. WWI far less.

Until we start talking millions of deaths, there wouldn't be much impact. Sparky's correct, I'd say.

Don't forget things like the 1918 Flu Epidemic.  That alone lowerd the average life expectancy in the US by 10 years.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2009, 12:47:08 PM »
Quote from: djones520 on July 30, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Don't forget things like the 1918 Flu Epidemic.  That alone lowerd the average life expectancy in the US by 10 years.

Again, 500K in a nation of (at that time) 110 million.  Not so much.

No, infant mortality and diseases were the big factors until the last 75 years or so.  After age 5, accidents.  Wars, etc, haven't had the same level of impact on life expectancy as one might expect.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2009, 01:04:34 PM »
I did a people search on whitepages.com and it only turned up TWO "Barack Obamas"   Obama and eight Barack, Barrack, Borack or Brack Obamas and then a total of 41 "Obamas" http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=&name=Obama&where=  I will admit that there were some blatantly fraudulent entries (3 or 4) This was a nationwide search. No entries for "Soetoro".
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2009, 01:13:48 PM »
Quote from: Thor on July 30, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
I did a people search on whitepages.com and it only turned up TWO "Barack Obamas"   Obama and eight Barack, Barrack, Borack or Brack Obamas and then a total of 41 "Obamas" http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=&name=Obama&where=  I will admit that there were some blatantly fraudulent entries (3 or 4) This was a nationwide search. No entries for "Soetoro".

Curiously enough when typing in Barack Obama into ZabaSearch, none show up, but it changes the search term to Michelle Obama.

http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=MICHELLE%20OBAMA&state=ALL&ref=&se=&doby=&city=&name_style=1&tm=&tmr=
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2009, 01:35:51 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on July 30, 2009, 12:47:08 PM
Again, 500K in a nation of (at that time) 110 million.  Not so much.

No, infant mortality and diseases were the big factors until the last 75 years or so.  After age 5, accidents.  Wars, etc, haven't had the same level of impact on life expectancy as one might expect.

Did you miss the part where I said the Flu Pandemic alone dropped average life expectancy rates by 10 years?
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2009, 01:51:02 PM »
Quote from: djones520 on July 30, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Did you miss the part where I said the Flu Pandemic alone dropped average life expectancy rates by 10 years?

What does that have to do with it? He was born in 1961. There are 4 3-digit starters for anyone born there. If he were born in Hawaii, there isn't a chance in hell he wouldn't have a SS that started with 575, 576, 750, or 751. That's 4 combinations of 9 numbers. We haven't lost that many people in all wars combined, as it's about 4 million people, if you removed the "set" 3 numbers.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2009, 03:21:10 PM »
It is not "0bama committing fraud?"  It is "The sun rose in the east, a postman got bit by a dog, water flows downhill and 0bama is committing fraud"
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2009, 03:24:27 PM »
Quote from: djones520 on July 30, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Don't forget things like the 1918 Flu Epidemic.  That alone lowerd the average life expectancy in the US by 10 years.

Can you document that? Ten years seems a little high to me.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2009, 04:35:56 PM »
Quote from: djones520 on July 30, 2009, 11:54:55 AM
Don't forget things like the 1918 Flu Epidemic.  That alone lowerd the average life expectancy in the US by 10 years.

At that time nearly everything was nearly an 'epidemic' .. everything that kids get immunized for killed people constantly.. Measles, mumps, scarlet fever, whooping cough, smallpox even things like pneumonia, rabies, and even botulism.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2009, 04:58:08 PM »
Quote from: Baruch Menachem on July 30, 2009, 03:21:10 PM
It is not "0bama committing fraud?"  It is "The sun rose in the east, a postman got bit by a dog, water flows downhill and 0bama is committing fraud"

We know that 0Bama committed perjury.  He swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the US.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2009, 05:52:00 PM »
I seem to remember applying for a my Social Security number when I got my first job as a teenager in the sixties We had lived in several states. 

And then there is my aunt. At age 92, she has been receiving the minimum benefit since 65.  She worked as a maid most of her life at minimum wage and has probably received well in excess of what she would have ever put in even at the most outrageous fictional interest rates. 

Does this mean I don't believe Obi Wun is a fraud? He77 no. It is just that this smells a bit like a red herring.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2009, 06:08:18 PM »
social Security Death Index is a searchable database where you can find the SS# of a deceased person, or can find a person who is dead by their SS#.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2009, 01:00:54 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on July 30, 2009, 01:51:02 PM
What does that have to do with it? He was born in 1961. There are 4 3-digit starters for anyone born there. If he were born in Hawaii, there isn't a chance in hell he wouldn't have a SS that started with 575, 576, 750, or 751. That's 4 combinations of 9 numbers. We haven't lost that many people in all wars combined, as it's about 4 million people, if you removed the "set" 3 numbers.

At the time that he was born, until the mid-80's when they started issuing SS#'s at birth, your # started with the identifier for the state you applied from, not necessarily where you were born.  My sister was born in OH in 70, I was born in AL in 75, we both have SS#'s with FL identifiers.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2009, 06:07:19 AM »
Can't a broffer run a simple SS scam widout all you honkies mess'n wit'im?
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2009, 06:16:03 AM »
Quote from: djones520 on July 30, 2009, 01:35:51 PM
Did you miss the part where I said the Flu Pandemic alone dropped average life expectancy rates by 10 years?

Said?  Yes.  Proven?  Hardly.  You might want to revisit your Statistics textbook, m'boy.  1/2 of 1 percent of a population can skew data 20 times its weighted average?  Not likely.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2009, 07:31:23 PM »
Quote from: docstew on July 31, 2009, 01:00:54 AM
At the time that he was born, until the mid-80's when they started issuing SS#'s at birth, your # started with the identifier for the state you applied from, not necessarily where you were born.  My sister was born in OH in 70, I was born in AL in 75, we both have SS#'s with FL identifiers.

Yup you are most correct, none of my kids got their SS# until they got part time jobs.

My son that was born in Hawaii has a SS# card that he received in NJ.   

SS# numbers come from the place one first applies for one.   Say a child born before 1979 in Michigan at the age of 16 comes to visit family in Fla. and wants a part time job, their SS# will show they applied in that state.

I have no idea who this Barry Soetoro is, but I do recognise the Toro in the name, Bull in Spanish.     As we pronounce it.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2009, 07:40:11 PM »
Quote from: Thor on July 30, 2009, 01:04:34 PM
I did a people search on whitepages.com and it only turned up TWO "Barack Obamas"   Obama and eight Barack, Barrack, Borack or Brack Obamas and then a total of 41 "Obamas" http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=&name=Obama&where=  I will admit that there were some blatantly fraudulent entries (3 or 4) This was a nationwide search. No entries for "Soetoro".


Interesting, split up  the name Soe-Toro and do a separate search on both sides and you may be surprised at what you find.
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Re: Obama Committing Fraud ??
« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2009, 06:10:58 AM »
Quote from: vesta111 on July 31, 2009, 07:31:23 PM
Yup you are most correct, none of my kids got their SS# until they got part time jobs.

My son that was born in Hawaii has a SS# card that he received in NJ.   

SS# numbers come from the place one first applies for one.   Say a child born before 1979 in Michigan at the age of 16 comes to visit family in Fla. and wants a part time job, their SS# will show they applied in that state.

I have no idea who this Barry Soetoro is, but I do recognise the Toro in the name, Bull in Spanish.     As we pronounce it.


Quote from: vesta111 on July 31, 2009, 07:40:11 PM

Interesting, split up  the name Soe-Toro and do a separate search on both sides and you may be surprised at what you find.

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