maudlin waif primitive mentoring kids

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6128480

Uh oh.

But first, the Twix candy bar primitive, the ex-Target supervisor:

TwixVoy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:12 AM
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Something is seriously wrong with our society

I don't know if I'm the only one that notices it.... but the lack of concern, utter lack of respect for each other, and general "screw everyone else" attitude has gotten much worse in the past 15 years IMO.

I have especially noticed this among people in their 20's. Far too many peoples relationships with each other seem to be constructed out of incredibly shallow things. The entire foundation of many peoples relationships - even peoples closest relationships up to and including marriages - seem to be about how the other person is useful to them in some way.

I have also noticed (again, more with the youth) that people are MUCH quicker to violence over the most idiotic of things.

There was not a huge crime increase during the great depression.... but with the way people simply can not seem to get along in our current society (largely IMO due to republican programming of "screw everyone else I've got mine") I am wondering how things will play out should the economy continue to get worse. For some reason I am expecting a LARGE increase in violent crime.

Yeah, one imagines when Ma and Pa Kettle flub on delivering their promises they shouldn't have made anyway, certain segments of society, including the primitives, are going to get violent.

Anyway.

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:14 AM
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1. Actually we're apparently seeing the opposite property crime is up, yes, but violent crime is way down.

I work with a lot of kids in their late teens and twenties... Good bunch. I think this is a very unfair broad brush.

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:33 AM
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I guess it depends on who you talk to...

Sure, I sometimes end up giving history lessons to the kids I work with (what the hell ARE they teaching in the schools these days, anyway?), but the vast majority of them are really decent people with good hearts and good heads on their shoulders. I don't treat them like they don't know anything and the respect goes both ways.

The difference between today's kids and the ones of previous generations (except mine, which really didn't care) was that they weren't raised to automatically respect someone because of age or position, but expected respect to be a two-way street. I've always felt that way, but I was strange even for my time.

The Rita Hayworth primitive:

Tangerine LaBamba  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-23-09 01:20 AM
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7. I don't know about crime rates, but I do know that our society is decidedly far less civil than I've ever experienced it in my many years on this planet.

Good manners seem to be quite the exception, instead of the rule. When someone does something proper and mannerly, it's a surprise, instead of being the norm.

Things go so fast now, and there is so much to take in, it would make sense that kids are sometimes overwhelmed, and don't get to develop the skills that would permit them to investigate anything on a deeper basis. I mean, kids text, so now they're limited to expressing themselves in 140 characters, and who cares about spelling, syntax, sentiment, or clarity?

All that pressure could lead to shorter fuses among kids - that would make sense.

I'm glad I'm not young. Not now. It looks like a whole lot of hard, hard work, and not a whole lot of fun................

TwixVoy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:27 AM
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9. It is "fun" in a twisted way

My daughter is in her 20's. From what she has told me sexual assaults at partys are the norm. Someone passes out, and most everyone at the party blames them. The guy that does it is seen as a big man. The youth society does not see it as such a bad thing. In fact from what I have seen and what she has told me finding a male in her age range who has ANY real concern/respect for their partner is pretty damn rare these days. (and many times the same can be said with the other sex)

Also from what I have seen a fair amount of them are lazy alcoholic bums who give not a damn about anyone but themselves and are PROUD of it.

Oh wow.  A snapshot of Skins's island there, above.

Tangerine LaBamba  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-23-09 01:33 AM
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11. That's horrifying - 

My kids are older, grown, married, parents, so I don't have that exposure to kids in their twenties. I know a few young women, but they always struck me as kind of tired and sad, clubbing being what they do with their spare time. Dead-end jobs, and wasting themselves on men who seem to bang them and that's that.

Somewhere, we as parents, all generations, maybe, did something terribly wrong..................

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:40 AM
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15. I have a TON of exposure to kids in their twenties...

It's not that bad, really. Not at all. Maybe it's the location (Pacific Northwest) or their role models, but the kids I know are pretty cool and open to learning new things. The young women respect themselves--of course it doesn't hurt to have someone older with nothing to gain telling them they're worth it.

Tangerine LaBamba  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-23-09 01:44 AM
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17. How many kids?

You're talking about a very small sample, given the scope of the discussion. We're speaking more globally, not locally, not anecdotal observations.

I'm talking about very urban and sophisticated youngsters, with access to all the perks of living in a metropolitan area, as well as all the downsides.

I'm glad your kids are doing well, but that's not so for a whole lot of kids in this country....................

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:47 AM
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18. I'm talking about several dozen a year, constantly changing

IN an urban setting.

Tangerine LaBamba  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-23-09 01:49 AM
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20. As I said, a sample that's too small to be significant. But it's good that you know these good kids.

The rest of the country isn't as fortunate...............

opiate69  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 02:23 AM
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31. And the size of your sample is????

Oh, yeah... "My kids are older, grown, married, parents, so I don't have that exposure to kids in their twenties."

So you base your claim on what, exactly?

Ew.  franksolich has developed a hardcore loathing for the opium addict primitive.

One doesn't treat one's betters that way, and the Rita Hayworth primitive is a damned sight better than the opium addict primitive.

Tangerine LaBamba  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jul-23-09 12:41 PM
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39. My mistake - 

I wrote a comprehensive post about my work and my life, and then I realized that I was giving information to an anonymous nobody who simply cannot read.

My mistake, but it's been taken care of now................

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:36 AM
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14. I spent some time with a female friend today (she's twenty) and she was complaining that most of the guys her age are either shallow dickheads or just about clueless. Some of it comes with the territory of being that age, I think, but she's a smart, pretty, and talented young woman who out-shines just about all of them. Few guys her age could ever appreciate her.

By the time I'm done they'd better not mess with her though.  She got her first introductory course in escrima today.

What is "escrima"?  It can't be, but it sounds as if the maudlin waif primitive taught her some sort of needlepoint and embroidery, that word "escrima."

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 02:11 AM
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30. I don't know a single guy who'd be on-board with that shit.

Not one. Of any age.

And, no, most guys aren't clued in to who they are and what a relationship is supposed to be until their LATE twenties, at the earliest. If you're expecting it in the mid twenties, you're going to be disappointed.

The salacious primitive, the "Selatius" primitive, shows up, but the salacious primitive was some time ago demoted down to the unterprimitiven, a primitive of no prominence.

franksolich used to think highly of the salacious primitive, supposing the selacious primitive had a responsible, well-paying job, but then to his dismay, learned that the salacious primitive is a bus-boy, or table-busser, in one of those "family" restaurants.

[JohnnyReb]

40+ years of liberal "it's governments responsability" and they wonder why people don't give a rip about each other......the "me" generation has arrived.

[GOBUCKS]

Mythsaje  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-23-09 01:33 AM
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I guess it depends on who you talk to...

Sure, I sometimes end up giving history lessons to the kids I work with (what the hell ARE they teaching in the schools these days, anyway?)

Can you imagine the history lessons these kids are getting from DUmmy Mythsaje, as he unloads another case of ginzu knives back on the discount store receiving dock? Talk about Rush's "young minds full of mush"!

[franksolich]

Can you imagine the history lessons these kids are getting from DUmmy Mythsaje, as he unloads another case of ginzu knives back on the discount store receiving dock? Talk about Rush's "young minds full of mush"!

I'm sure the history lessons are from a child's version of Sir Thomas Mallory's Le Mort d'Arthur, the round table, druids, dragons, sorcerers, wizards, whatnot.

[franksolich]

You know, this is where the maudlin waif primitive's talent lies, but damn it, he persists in trying his hand--and what a clumsy hand it is, too--at fiction and fantasy.

I'll bet the maudlin waif primitive could write something damned near professional, about what he tells the kids, and describes their reactions.

[The Village Idiot]

You know, this is where the maudlin waif primitive's talent lies, but damn it, he persists in trying his hand--and what a clumsy hand it is, too--at fiction and fantasy.

I'll bet the maudlin waif primitive could write something damned near professional, about what he tells the kids, and describes their reactions.

could, maybe if he had  a better O/S in his head

[GOBUCKS]

I'm sure the history lessons are from a child's version of Sir Thomas Mallory's Le Mort d'Arthur, the round table, druids, dragons, sorcerers, wizards, whatnot.

I don't think DUmmy Mythsaje's fantasies are quite as elegant as those of Sir Thomas Mallory:

It's just another night at San Francisco's strangest
nightclub, a place where the paranormal and
preternatural come together to forge friendships
and alliances. 

[franksolich]

Oh my.

You're right; no Mallory in the maudlin waif primitive.

I disremember how the original--and not the child's comic-book version--of Le Mort d'Arthur went, because I got turned off by wizards and sorcerers and round tables and druids and dragons and somesuch when I first went to college, and so never bothered reading the whole book.

I was majoring in British history, and friends of course made many British references to me, including nicknaming that part of myself that makes me male, "Excalibur."

I'm sure you understand; 17-18-19-year-old boys crammed in a college dormitory can be enormously crude.

I got to really loathe that word, and any word associated with it.

[GOBUCKS]

Oh my.

You're right; no Mallory in the maudlin waif primitive.

I disremember how the original--and not the child's comic-book version--of Le Mort d'Arthur went, because I got turned off by wizards and sorcerers and round tables and druids and dragons and somesuch when I first went to college, and so never bothered reading the whole book.

I was majoring in British history, and friends of course made many British references to me, including nicknaming that part of myself that makes me male, "Excalibur."

I'm sure you understand; 17-18-19-year-old boys crammed in a college dormitory can be enormously crude.

I got to really loathe that word, and any word associated with it.

Well, of course, but franksolich was at a very exclusive university, full of real scholars, boys who spent time in the evening studying (plus DUmmy Skinner). During my undergraduate days, if any of my colleagues had heard mention of "Excalibur", they would likely have thought it to be a model of Dodge, or maybe a brand of condom.

[kenth]

The opium addict is right though. TL dismisses myth's personal dealings with young people as too small a sample to make a statement, while admitting that she knows no one in that age range but goes ahead and makes defining statements about them.

[delilahmused]

I don't know, most of the 20 somethings I know are great. A little wild maybe but great...of course most the 20 somethings I know are Marines. Maybe DUmmies just need to find a better class of twenty somethings.

Oh, and if a girl doesn't want to be gang banged at a party, my suggestion is she doesn't drink so much that she passes out. Problem solved. How stupid do you have to be? It's kind of funny, though, they'll spend all day trying to prove how "progressive", how utterly hip they are when in reality they're just spoiled boomers who've become the fuddy-duddy establishment they railed against when they were in their 20's. Sometimes irony is as sweet as gooey fudge brownies.

Cindie

[BlueStateSaint]

Oh, and if a girl doesn't want to be gang banged at a party, my suggestion is she doesn't drink so much that she passes out.  Problem solved.  How stupid do you have to be?

My daughter will have this drilled into her pretty little head.  "Don't get messed up, and you won't be messed up."

[Celtic Rose]

My daughter will have this drilled into her pretty little head.  "Don't get messed up, and you won't be messed up."

Not drinking to excess is certainly the best way to avoid these sorts of issues.  It helps if you have friends that you can trust to take you out of a situation before it gets bad, as well. I know that if I were stupid enough to get myself falling down drunk, my friends would get me home before anything bad could happen. And I would do the same for them. 

That said, I don't know what sort of parties the DUmmy's daughter is going to.  I haven't gone to a party that revolved around drinking since college, and when I was there, there weren't any public sexual assault, and if somebody had been sexually assaulted, the guy wouldn't have been the "big man on campus," he would have be the creepy guy to avoid.