http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6096140Damn, my fellow alum Skins has got to do something about the primitives starting bonfires in "General Discussion" when such bonfires actually belong in one of the many smaller specialty forums on Skins's island.
Skins might as well just have one single big forum on the island, "General Discussion," and do away with the overhead involved with having the specialty forums.
The below, for example, was in "General Disucssion," instead of either in the cooking and baking or health forums, where it more properly belongs.
Tim01 (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 01:39 PM
Original message
Just a reminder about things like organic foods.
I know I am preaching to the choir to some extent here. No offense intended. But reminders help me, so maybe they help others.
When you go to the store and buy stuff you are voting on how you want this country to be. If you buy cheap food instead of organic food the corporations will be more than happy to give you more of the same. You are telling them that you don't care as long as it is cheap. And they will find ways to get the govt. to cooperate with them producing more and more cheap food no matter what it takes. They will manipulate the EPA, the FDA, and all the other groups that are supposed to protect us. And it is simply because of what we buy.
Simply put, if we all went organic over night the corporations would change to meet demand. They would follow the money. And what we buy sets the stage for everything else.
If we don't care that much about what we feed our kids, we probably don't care that much about what we drink, breathe, or wear.
If we refused to buy any chicken but free range chicken, then all chicken farmers would become free range farmers or they would be out of business in short order.
There is a long list of this kind of stuff. A long list of choices we can make.And at the end of the day I think how we spend our money is far far more influential than who we vote for.
If we vote once every few years for one thing, and vote every day for something else, we will get politicians who will tell us one thing and do something else. They are playing our game.
We can vote everyday.
itsrobert (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 01:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. So how is your organic farm going?
Do you have a link to your web store?
Tim01 (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I raise enough beef and chicken for my family. That's it.
I shoot a few deer. And the occasional groundhog.I have a few tomatoes. I buy everything else.
readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
16. Good thing you don't live in Brooklyn or Oakland or Chicago...
And the whole "they have the choice to move out here" blather is a bald-faced lie. I seriously doubt country folks REALLY want urban America--half the population of the US--moving out to country willy-nilly.
The above primitive has that right.
Tim01 (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. I lived in D.C. Descent food is available. But it does take effort.
I'm willing to give up 2 cans of soda so I can have better eggs for the whole week. Lots of people are not willing to put up with such a hardship. Chicken and rice is lots cheaper and better than McDonalds. But once again, effort.
Soaking beans instead of Taco Bell, effort. Taking a brown bag instead of going to the food court, effort.
After which the "readmoreoften" primitive engages in a discussion about "organizing."
If the primitives wished things "organized," they would make one small step for a primitive, one giant leap for primitivity, simply by putting bonfires in the correct forums on Skins's island, so as to organize their own digs better.
varelse (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
2. Some of us don't have the $$ to make the choice
And, as pointed out on numerous occasions in the film "Food, Inc." that price structure, whereby unhealthy "food" is far cheaper than nutritious, fresh, whole food, is created by long standing government policy.
If we can convince our government to change the farm subsidy programs to effect affordable pricing for healthy food (fresh vegetables and fruits, grass-fed beef, etc) then we would open up options which do not currently exists for millions of poor and low income Americans to make better choices without being forced to skip meals.
(edited to add, I'm a member of an organic CSA and a long-time vegetarian who only buys organic food, so I don't disagree with you on a personal level at all)
There's a thing such as an organic Confederate States of America?
Damn, I dislike it when the primitives use acronyms, as if it's hip, cool, trendy, with it, to have one's own special "secret" language.
itsrobert (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Organics are a croc anyhow
The coroporations have taken them over and they just put a label on the package to say "Organic" Suckers buy it up.
Up rises a primitive perfectly in tune with franksolich:
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
103. and what effects has your tinfoil hat caused?
Heaven forbid we use such things as pasteurization and fluoride. That wily Pasteur was always in the corporate pocket, trying to make people sick so they wouldn't be able to fight for their rights to drink juice riddled with disease causing bacteria. He was evil I tell ya, EVIL.
A really stupid primitive then responds to the harmonious primitive:
Kalun D (849 posts) Sat Jul-18-09 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #103
115. Nutrition 101
""Heaven forbid we use such things as pasteurization and fluoride.""
there's no tinfoil here, this is long established basic nutrition
Americans are so ignorant of basic nutrition, it's probably why our cancer rates are so high.
things like heating over 108F and pasteurization kills raw food, ruining up to 90% of it's nutrients
that's why meat is "bad" for you, it's not the meat, our digestion is designed to be omnivorous, it's the cooking of the meat which transforms it into stuff that's bad for you.
Pasteurization was necessary when sanitary conditions weren't as well understood. And what it does is trade a small minority of short term consequences for widespread longterm consequences. IOW a very few, low percentage poisonings, for a widespread general health decline.
and fluoride has long been known to be a sedative and neurotoxin, it's banned in a lot of the rest of the world, only in America with it's rampant corrupt corporations and for profit health care is fluoride still so widely used.
harmonicon (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-18-09 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #115
117. I'll keep my pasteurized juice and milk, thank you very much
If you want to gamble, be my guest, but don't suggest that gambling with one's health should be the way to go. As for fluoride, I would like to thank it for keeping me cavity-free until I was 29 years old. I know that fluoride isn't put into the water in many countries, but I'm pretty sure that it's in a lot of toothpaste.
The colon primitive again responds with more stupidity:
Kalun D (849 posts) Sun Jul-19-09 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #117
119. The Cancer Train
""I'll keep my pasteurized juice and milk, thank you very much""
anything pasteurized is pretty much empty food. Pasteurized milk is in the detrimental food category.
Fluoride is actually bad for your teeth
""I know that fluoride isn't put into the water in many countries""
why do you think that is?
for corporate cultivated perceptions you're gambling with your long term health, it's called, Riding the Cancer Train.
and the "health care" corporations will be there to "help" you when you get to the last stop.
It's a big blazing bonfire, but I'm tired of copying-and-pasting, so will quit.
