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Offline The Village Idiot

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Rights
« on: July 17, 2009, 02:15:05 AM »
http://unitedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/07/righta.html

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What, my fellow humans, constitutes a right?

Does a person have a right to another mans property? Does a person have a right to another mans wealth? Do your rights cost other people? Does your happiness have to retract from someone else's happiness?

No. I posit that everyone has the same rights and these rights cost nothing to others.

You have a right to free speech but not to make others listen. You have the freedom of religion but you do not have the power to force it on others or punish those who convert. Because they have the same religious freedom, including the right to convert or drop it entirely.

You have the right to assemble and to associate with whom you please but without the power to force others to assemble and associate with you. Again your rights do not cost or infringe on the rights of another person.

You have a right to own property but not to steal it. You have a right to buy it and not with the coersion of a government agency. It is the same with other properties such as a gun or a vehicle.

So then how does one come to believe in the fantasy of something for nothing, or the ideology of theft by state. People are taught they are somehow "entitled" to another persons income, they are somehow entitled to have others pay for their things, their food, their housing, their cell phone or their medical care.

This type of ideology is like a cancer, the number of demands continues to always increase and never decreases. The ideology that says a person who has wasted all their own money on MP3 players and concert tickets can then demand that the state force those who work for a living to keep them in comfort.

Yes, there are truly needy people in our world, a world that does not reward hard work but punishes and one that rewards those who do not. The truly needy are the ones being hurt the most by the culture of entitlement, which encourages people to do as little as possible.

An entitlement is not a right, it is loot.

Offline vesta111

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Re: Rights
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2009, 07:41:06 AM »
http://unitedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/07/Right.html


RIGHTS are very tricky  to have a right,  someone must give us rights, or make laws that give us the right to anything.

On the down side any right we are given can be taken away from us at any time by anyone that can profit from doing so.

To keep a so called right one must so something to keep that right, all rights have caveats that lead to loss of that right.

We no longer have the right to life.

Those who for some reason are trying to take our rights to self defence and any steps we wish to take to insure our own safety.    Heck in some places the laws now direct one to the breed of dog they own for protection.   

Weapons, some states have outlawed the cross bow, even for hunting.

Two pieces of wood joined by a rope or chain is illegal, kind of nuts as anyone can place a ball peen hammer in their pocket with no problem.

Stun guns are off limits in some cities and states for self protection.

The right to expect someone else to feed and cloth our children because we from a disability not our fault  and can no longer do so.   

  The people that by their own hand cripple ourselves into this position have the right to continue to self destruct and take the kiddies down with them.

We have the right to work at what we are capable of, we have no right to demand the amount of a wage that will pay the bills for say working as a dishwasher.

Rights come with the responsibility to earn those rights, to fight for those rights and use those rights for the benefit for society as a whole, not just as an individual.

My rights state that I can own a weapon, drive a car, work at any job I am qualified for.

I do not have the right to skipper a 38 foot pleasure boat for hire.
I do not have the right to poilet any kind of aircraft with passengers.
I do not have the right to practice medicine
I do not have the right to cut hair or manicure nails.

RIGHTS are what one gets and does with it.

I do not have the right to become a junkie and expect society to pay for my methodone.






Offline Celtic Rose

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Re: Rights
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2009, 09:19:24 AM »
RIGHTS are very tricky  to have a right,  someone must give us rights, or make laws that give us the right to anything.

On the down side any right we are given can be taken away from us at any time by anyone that can profit from doing so.

To keep a so called right one must so something to keep that right, all rights have caveats that lead to loss of that right.

We no longer have the right to life.

Those who for some reason are trying to take our rights to self defence and any steps we wish to take to insure our own safety.    Heck in some places the laws now direct one to the breed of dog they own for protection.   

Weapons, some states have outlawed the cross bow, even for hunting.

Two pieces of wood joined by a rope or chain is illegal, kind of nuts as anyone can place a ball peen hammer in their pocket with no problem.

Stun guns are off limits in some cities and states for self protection.

The right to expect someone else to feed and cloth our children because we from a disability not our fault  and can no longer do so.   

  The people that by their own hand cripple ourselves into this position have the right to continue to self destruct and take the kiddies down with them.

We have the right to work at what we are capable of, we have no right to demand the amount of a wage that will pay the bills for say working as a dishwasher.

Rights come with the responsibility to earn those rights, to fight for those rights and use those rights for the benefit for society as a whole, not just as an individual.

My rights state that I can own a weapon, drive a car, work at any job I am qualified for.

I do not have the right to skipper a 38 foot pleasure boat for hire.
I do not have the right to poilet any kind of aircraft with passengers.
I do not have the right to practice medicine
I do not have the right to cut hair or manicure nails.

RIGHTS are what one gets and does with it.

I do not have the right to become a junkie and expect society to pay for my methodone.







I disagree that that laws give us rights.  We possess rights simply by the virtue of being human, but governments do deny people their rights. 

In the US we are fortunate to have many of our rights spelled out so plainly in our Constitution, unfortunately not all of our supreme court justices seem to see the Constitution as absolute.  This is why the "living document" people bug me so much.  Of course the constitution does not specifically describe every possible situation, but it lays out the rights that were recognized as being universal to mankind by our founders.  We do not have the right to freedom of religion, press, speech, etc. because the founding fathers granted them to us, rather we have those rights because, as our founding fathers stated in the Declaration of Independence, we were endowed with rights by our creator. 

This issue, as you and FGL, and the essay pointed out, is that people have been so corrupted by the communist and socialist view of rights that they've begun to call all sort of things "rights" that are not.  We do not have the right to high paying job, we do not have the right to our every need and want fulfilled by the government, we do not have the right to marry, etc.