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Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« on: July 14, 2009, 10:37:36 PM »
A Pentagon-commissioned report urges the Defense Department to ban smoking in the military, even by combat troops in battle zones, a proposal that quickly ignited a controversy among service members.

The study, which was completed late last month by the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, recommends closing “the pipeline of new tobacco users entering the military” by prohibiting tobacco use in the service academies and officer-training programs like ROTC and eventually instituting a total ban on all use of tobacco by active-duty personnel.

The Defense Department said military health officials were studying the report and planned to make their recommendations to Defense Secretary Robert Gates.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31911204/ns/health-health_care/


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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 10:42:13 PM »
This story got a mention last week by one of Rush's guest hosts.  Mark Davis from WBAP, I think.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 10:48:06 PM »
Does anyone know what the current tobacco restrictions are on military bases?  I don't think there were any at all in the early 80's.

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 10:58:28 PM »
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Smoking blamed for billions in Pentagon, VA costs

The study, led by Stuart Bondurant, a professor of medicine and emeritus dean at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, said smoking and tobacco-related illnesses cost the Pentagon more than $800 million a year in lost productivity and health care expenses.
What's a billion here and a billion there to that chump in the White House?  Small potatoes.

I guess since Uncle Sam will be running all of our health care soon, smoking will be made illegal across the country now.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2009, 11:34:04 PM »
What's a billion here and a billion there to that chump in the White House?  Small potatoes.

I guess since Uncle Sam will be running all of our health care soon, smoking will be made illegal across the country now.

The FDA does have the authority to regulate tobacco products, so it is possible that they can minimize the amount of addictive ingredients in cigarettes, making it easier to quit. (or to smoke more to get the same kick)

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 12:28:52 AM »
Does anyone know what the current tobacco restrictions are on military bases?  I don't think there were any at all in the early 80's.

No smoking in buildings, within 50 feet of doorways, some places have no smoking while walking (local unit policy).  My last base, some of the barracks allowed smoking in the building if both roomies were smokers.

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 01:26:53 AM »
And WHERE will he get replacement TAX REVENUE when revenue from tobacco products drys up?

I always get a charge out of DUNGOkraps because they ONLY know how to think in two dimensions - this is the problem and this is the solution.  They don't even take into consideration the impact on other inter-related activities.

But then in order for the DUNGOkraps to think in two dimensions they would have to have brains larger than a gnats balls and we all know they don't.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 05:32:34 AM »
The height of hypocrisy, as the Obamessiah smokes cigarettes himself.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2009, 05:43:29 AM »
The height of hypocrisy, as the Obamessiah smokes cigarettes himself.

He allegedly has quit - sort of a precursor to ascending to teh Throne.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2009, 06:21:03 AM »
He allegedly has quit - sort of a precursor to ascending to teh Throne.

No he hasn't -- the entire Palin-can-outrun-him controversy surrounded his smoking habits.  I think his quote was he has made a mess of his pledge to quit smoking.   That pretty much defines his entire administration.


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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2009, 08:11:53 AM »
Yeah, "I'm about 95% cured". Um, what? How in the hell can you be 95% cured? You're either off of it, or you're still on it. Hell, with that logic, I quit smoking. I quit smoking about 45 minutes ago. I'll pick it back up in about 30 minutes.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2009, 08:13:45 AM »
And WHERE will he get replacement TAX REVENUE when revenue from tobacco products drys up?


Apply that to their entire platform. They raised taxes on cigs to pay for that stupid f'n SCHIP and then put millions of dollars of stimulus money into smoking cessation programs. Does that make sense? Not to anyone with an IQ over 80.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2009, 09:32:15 AM »
I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2009, 11:13:56 AM »
No he hasn't -- the entire Palin-can-outrun-him controversy surrounded his smoking habits.  I think his quote was he has made a mess of his pledge to quit smoking.   That pretty much defines his entire administration.



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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2009, 11:30:32 AM »
I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2009, 11:33:26 AM »
He allegedly has quit - sort of a precursor to ascending to teh Throne.

Nope...he goes out behind the basketball court
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2009, 12:12:53 PM »
No smoking in buildings, within 50 feet of doorways, some places have no smoking while walking (local unit policy).  My last base, some of the barracks allowed smoking in the building if both roomies were smokers.

When I stayed at the lodging in San Angelo, it wasn't any more restrictive than when I was on active duty, 15 years ago. No smoking in the buildings, period. Not a major deal. As far as while walking, that was an unwritten reg since the time I first joined the military, (1975), at least while one was in uniform. I don't think this will go over very well. As far as smoking related illnesses, I never once had a Sailor under me go to sick bay because of their smoking.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2009, 12:20:24 PM »
When I stayed at the lodging in San Angelo, it wasn't any more restrictive than when I was on active duty, 15 years ago. No smoking in the buildings, period. Not a major deal. As far as while walking, that was an unwritten reg since the time I first joined the military, (1975), at least while one was in uniform. I don't think this will go over very well. As far as smoking related illnesses, I never once had a Sailor under me go to sick bay because of their smoking.

The problem is that in order to support their logic for civilian smoking bans.......everything including a head cold is now defined as a "smoking related illness".........

Why should the military be exempt from this form of twisted logic?

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2009, 12:30:02 PM »
And WHERE will he get replacement TAX REVENUE when revenue from tobacco products drys up?

That's easy.  They'll keep raising the taxes on a dminishing tax base to keep the tax income the same.

It's the same underlying approach to "taxing the rich".  They really want fewer eeeeevil "rich people", so they keep taxing them at higher and higher rates so we're all "equal" at the end of the fiscal year.

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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2009, 12:47:49 PM »
That's easy.  They'll keep raising the taxes on a dminishing tax base to keep the tax income the same.

It's the same underlying approach to "taxing the rich".  They really want fewer eeeeevil "rich people", so they keep taxing them at higher and higher rates so we're all "equal" at the end of the fiscal year.

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The fundamental flaw in that logic is that "the evil rich" can afford the legal and accounting talent to simply take their wealth elsewhere to a more tax friendly environment.  Jobs will be lost, and the economy in general will suffer.  A single truism applies.......when was the last time that a poor person created a job for someone?

Back when the top income bracket was in the 70% range, pre Reagan, the only folks stupid enough to leave their primary income sources in the US were the fools in Hollywood.....nobody cares about them anyway........

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2009, 12:57:37 PM »
The fundamental flaw in that logic is that "the evil rich" can afford the legal and accounting talent to simply take their wealth elsewhere to a more tax friendly environment.  Jobs will be lost, and the economy in general will suffer.  A single truism applies.......when was the last time that a poor person created a job for someone?  Oh, I agree, it's not logical.  It's liberal, so the two are mutually exclusive. 

Back when the top income bracket was in the 70% range, pre Reagan, the only folks stupid enough to leave their primary income sources in the US were the fools in Hollywood.....nobody cares about them anyway........

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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2009, 03:14:30 PM »
No he hasn't -- the entire Palin-can-outrun-him controversy surrounded his smoking habits.  I think his quote was he has made a mess of his pledge to quit smoking.   That pretty much defines his entire administration.



Kinda wonderin' where he grabs his smoke break. I can well imagine there's a SSOTUS (Smoke Screen of the United States) that Lord Zero has his minions cart around so that he can, like the Mafia boss he thinks he is, smoke behind closed "doors" so he can't be photographed.
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2009, 05:14:49 PM »
Kinda wonderin' where he grabs his smoke break. I can well imagine there's a SSOTUS (Smoke Screen of the United States) that Lord Zero has his minions cart around so that he can, like the Mafia boss he thinks he is, smoke behind closed "doors" so he can't be photographed.
I'd love to see of him walking down a hallway in the WH on the way to a press conference and have him forget he's got a lit ciggy in his hand.   :-) :fuelfire:
I can just see him take one more drag, drop it on the carpet and mash it out with his shoe.
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Re: Proposed smoking ban angers some in military
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2009, 05:42:04 PM »
I'm not a smoker, but that's as ****ed up as a soup sandwich.
What?? You can make a sammich outta soup?
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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2009, 05:45:27 PM »
What?? You can make a sammich outta soup?
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