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Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« on: July 11, 2009, 12:20:06 PM »
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Kadie  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri Jul-10-09 11:43 PM
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U.S. Drones Have Al Qaeda On The Run   Updated at 11:44 PM
   

Jul 10, 2009 8:17 pm US/Pacific
U.S. Drones Have Al Qaeda On The Run

NEW YORK (CBS) ― It's not often the enemy tells you something you're doing -- strikes by CIA drones against al Qaeda sanctuaries in Pakistan -- is working.

But in this document posted on the Web, a top al Qaeda commander writes: "The harm is alarming. The matter is very grave."

Both senior government officials and outside experts say it is an extraordinary confession, reports CBS News correspondent David Martin.

"It exposes for the first time a level of paranoia and a level of self-consciousness and a lack of confidence in al Qaeda's leadership in their propaganda that we just haven't seen up until now," said Nicholas Schmidle, the author of "To Live or to Perish Forever: Two Tumultuous Years in Pakistan."

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"The accuracy of these drone strikes has been so remarkable that there's been no -- there's not even been an attempt to al Qaeda or the Taliban to offer a counter narrative to say that no there were actually women and children that were killed. There's been nothing but silence," said Schmidle.

The predator strikes do cause civilian casualties, but one senior official claimed more innocent people have been executed by al Qaeda as suspected spies than killed by CIA drones.


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http://cbs13.com/national/us.drones.pakistan.2.1081414....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6038425

When * was at the helm the primitives would have been saying that official was a hack for the Bush admin. So far silence on that matter.

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Itchinjim  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri Jul-10-09 11:46 PM
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1. Well done President Obama.
   
No text needed.

Chickenhawk you sit at your computer cheering on this war.

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geek tragedy  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Fri Jul-10-09 11:48 PM
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2. Which is why the pro-Taluban crowd here is
   
so adamant that drone strikes be stopped. They don't want the US to succeed against their noble anti-imperialist freedom fighters.

Du is the american wing of the pro Taluban [sic] support group.

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Cali_Democrat  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sat Jul-11-09 04:56 AM
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5. I don't think people here are "pro-Taliban"
   
They are simply against extrajudicial killings.

A lot of innocent civilians have died because of these drone strikes and nobody gave us the power to be judge, jury and executioner.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Sat Jul-11-09 05:04 AM
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6. There are no such things as "innocent civilians" in Afghanistan..
   
Well, at least as long as it is US forces doing the killing.

The proper and approved newspea.. err.. terminology is "collateral damage"..

And the delivery system for a bomb makes all the difference in whether it is a "good" bomb or a "bad" bomb.. Bomb delivered by truck, vest or car = bad. Bomb delivered by airplane or drone = good.

Please reflect upon and absorb these points before further posting of needlessly inflammatory rhetoric.



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Selatius (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Jul-10-09 11:50 PM
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3. Unless somebody sells shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles to these guys, there won't be relief.
   
They will be bombed incessantly, sort of like how the Soviet Air Force continuously bombed and hunted Mujahadeen fighters in the 1980s in Afghanistan prior to the stinger missiles being sold to them.
   


Yet no calls for impeachment for warcrimes.

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Re: Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 01:13:05 PM »
Humans and especially enemy humans are adaptive, not iterative.  The normal response to this would be to disperse operations even further to the point that only one or two operators and a courier/messenger are ever together within one targetable area, I will refrain for OPSEC reasons from discussing my opinion of how they can still successfully pursue their strategic goals by doing that.
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Re: Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2009, 01:35:23 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on July 11, 2009, 01:13:05 PM
Humans and especially enemy humans are adaptive, not iterative.  The normal response to this would be to disperse operations even further to the point that only one or two operators and a courier/messenger are ever together within one targetable area, I will refrain for OPSEC reasons from discussing my opinion of how they can still successfully pursue their strategic goals by doing that.
However they do it, I'd advise them to have a large meeting to discuss it.   :-)
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Re: Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 03:15:05 PM »
Quote from: bijou on July 11, 2009, 01:35:23 PM
However they do it, I'd advise them to have a large meeting to discuss it.   :-)

That would be most considerate of them.

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Re: Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2009, 05:01:46 AM »
Quote from: bijou on July 11, 2009, 01:35:23 PM
However they do it, I'd advise them to have a large meeting to discuss it.   :-)

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Re: Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2009, 05:14:08 AM »
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri Jul-10-09 11:50 PM
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3. Unless somebody sells shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles to these guys, there won't be relief.
   
They will be bombed incessantly, sort of like how the Soviet Air Force continuously bombed and hunted Mujahadeen fighters in the 1980s in Afghanistan prior to the stinger missiles being sold to them.

Are they saying that Reagan was right to do that?  Or that the Soviets were bad people?

Anyone else expect to see them explode via logic contradiction a la Star Trek "Nomad"?
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Re: Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2009, 05:29:10 AM »
Quote from: docstew on July 12, 2009, 05:14:08 AM
Are they saying that Reagan was right to do that?  Or that the Soviets were bad people?

Anyone else expect to see them explode via logic contradiction a la Star Trek "Nomad"?

Not I.

They're fitted with paradox protection circuits else they'd explode on a daily basis.
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Re: Primitives all of a sudden are pro war.
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2009, 10:43:48 AM »
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