Military board recommends discharge for Lt. Dan "Boy Toy" Choi

[thundley4]

madfloridian   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jun-30-09 07:32 PM
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Military board recommends discharge for Lt. Dan Choi   
   

 
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 07:42 PM by madfloridian
Military board recommends discharge for Lt. Dan Choi

Syracuse, NY -- A military board tonight recommended that federal recognition of Lt. Dan Choi as an officer be withdrawn, a move that would result in Choi's discharge from the service.

Choi is a member of the New York National Guard who has publicly admitted to being gay. The hearing was the first step in what could be Choi's discharge from the service for violating the military's don't ask-don't tell policy against homosexual conduct.

The recommendation is not a final decision. Another recommendation will be made by the Commander of the First Army, a regional branch of the army. The chief of the National Guard Bureau has the final decision.

"I'm disappointed," said Choi at a news conference tonight."Today was a setback for me."


It is my understanding that 256 gays in the military have been fired since January, correct me if wrong.

There is more. An 18 year decorated Lt Col is losing his job and pension.

Lt. Col. Fehrenbach meets Obama.....still losing job and pension after 18 years.

Solly Mack   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jun-30-09 07:35 PM
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1. and all because of bigotry
   

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msongs   (1000+ posts)           Tue Jun-30-09 07:36 PM
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2. all because of religion. nt
   
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madfloridian   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jun-30-09 07:44 PM
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3. And we have a majority in congress and have the WH.   
   
And it still goes on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5962285

A very new and small bonfire.  Will it grow since the purge left fewer gays on the Island?

[Chris_]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5962285

A very new and small bonfire.  Will it grow since the purge left fewer gays on the Island?

And most of the uppity gheys that remain have been taught their place in primitive society.

[NHSparky]

Oh, those pesky service regs!

[TheSarge]

Solly Mack   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jun-30-09 07:35 PM
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1. and all because of bigotry

Ummm no.  All because someone decided to break army regulations to make a personal statement and draw attention to himself.

[thundley4]

I( have to think that some of the more activist type gays that are in the military may come out in the very near future. We have all seen that 0Bama caves to pressure from political cronies, so if enough long term service members "come out", I can see increased pressure from the lefty media driving 0Bama to action on rescinding DADT.

[TheSarge]

I( have to think that some of the more activist type gays that are in the military may come out in the very near future. We have all seen that 0Bama caves to pressure from political cronies, so if enough long term service members "come out", I can see increased pressure from the lefty media driving 0Bama to action on rescinding DADT.

One thing to keep in mind.  The Army right now is 22K overstrength..  They've cut off the referral bonus' and re-enlisments are on a case by case basis.

These "activists" types may come out of the woodwork...but all they are doing is making it easier for the Army to identify who needs to be shown the door.

And that overstrength problem is with the Guard and Reserve as well.

[thundley4]

One thing to keep in mind.  The Army right now is 22K overstrength..  They've cut off the referral bonus' and re-enlisments are on a case by case basis.

These "activists" types may come out of the woodwork...but all they are doing is making it easier for the Army to identify who needs to be shown the door.

And that overstrength problem is with the Guard and Reserve as well.

I wasn't implying that they could do it to force the military to keep them, but to force 0Bama to take a stand on ending DADT.  Supposedly he can end the discharges under DADT by executive order, or so I've read elsewhere.

[TheSarge]

I wasn't implying that they could do it to force the military to keep them, but to force 0Bama to take a stand on ending DADT.  Supposedly he can end the discharges under DADT by executive order, or so I've read elsewhere.

I knew what you meant so no worries.

The financial cost of enacting DADT is more than the military not to mention this President can afford.

And I honestly believe you'd see senior officer resignations and unexpected retirements left and right if Obama tried it.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I've served alongside at least 4 homos but none of them were in danger of being discharged because none of them made their sexual preference a political statement.

[dutch508]

One thing to keep in mind.  The Army right now is 22K overstrength..  They've cut off the referral bonus' and re-enlisments are on a case by case basis.

These "activists" types may come out of the woodwork...but all they are doing is making it easier for the Army to identify who needs to be shown the door.

And that overstrength problem is with the Guard and Reserve as well.

We are over strength because we've chosen not to man three BCTs projected to build up the Army.

What with obama in office, it will be all peach cobbler and Kum-By-Yahs from now on.

[docstew]

I wasn't implying that they could do it to force the military to keep them, but to force 0Bama to take a stand on ending DADT.  Supposedly he can end the discharges under DADT by executive order, or so I've read elsewhere.

IIRC, DADT is a federal law.  0bama wouldn't be able to overturn a federal law just by fiat, he'd have to get it repealed through Congress.

[lonewolf]

The reason homosexuals shouldn't be allowed in the military is that they shame us.

[GOBUCKS]

The reason homosexuals shouldn't be allowed in the military is that they shame us.

Uh, no, they shame themselves, they weaken the military, and they sicken us.

[TheSarge]

We are over strength because we've chosen not to man three BCTs projected to build up the Army.

What with obama in office, it will be all peach cobbler and Kum-By-Yahs from now on.

Yup they had already cleared the land and started laying the infrastructure for the 5th BCT at Ft. Stewart.

The promoted too many people to Senior NCO ranks in the combat MOS' too in anticipation of the activations.

Not an 11B's cutoff scores are higher than for my MOS.

[AprilRazz]

I've served alongside at least 4 homos but none of them were in danger of being discharged because none of them made their sexual preference a political statement.

I have served with several and had no problem with them. Of course they were of the majority who didn't live their lives between their legs. Most of them hated the vocal minority and have made it clear that they do not speak for them.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

... 0bama wouldn't be able to overturn a federal law just by fiat, ...

So young. So naive.

[Eupher]

I served with at least four that I knew of (or suspected very strongly), two of whom contracted AIDS, but they kept their business to themselves.

That's the way it SHOULD be. I served in the military to perform a function - not to hear about or witness somebody's sexual exploits. And that works for hetero's as well.

What all this bullshit does is distract from the freakin' MISSION - the very thing that we're there to do.

[TheSarge]

I served with at least four that I knew of (or suspected very strongly), two of whom contracted AIDS, but they kept their business to themselves.

That's the way it SHOULD be. I served in the military to perform a function - not to hear about or witness somebody's sexual exploits. And that works for hetero's as well.

What all this bullshit does is distract from the freakin' MISSION - the very thing that we're there to do.

Amen.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I think it is fair to say that the law should stay on the books because those homos that serve without making their preferences everybody else's business will continue to do so and they will be accepted.

But there are those agitators who join just to push the issue and become disruptive--not just about homosexuality, I've met a Troofer as well--and if the laws are removed those turd-tappers who are just looking to cause trouble would be given safe haven...we can't discharge just for people being obnoxious (but they do tend to fall in the shower a lot).

I say keep the laws to keep a mechanism to deal with the troublemakers.

BTW - if gays can shower with non-gays does that mean men can shower with women or are homos also the only ones genetically gifted with the ability to not ogle?

Just askin'.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I've certainly served with a few gays and lesbians over the years, like many of you note, as long as they maintained professionalism and kept their personal sexual issues to themselves, it was never a problem.  The same can be said of heterosexuals for that matter.

[dutch508]

I've certainly served with a few gays and lesbians over the years, like many of you note, as long as they maintained professionalism and kept their personal sexual issues to themselves, it was never a problem.  The same can be said of heterosexuals for that matter.

As I have stated a few times:

Don't care what you ****. Do your job or I'll kill you myself.

[Rebel]

Two of my friends around the corner are gay. One was in the AF, the other was a Corpsman and Gulf War veteran. Had another friend who is a retired Health Professions recruiter for the AF and retired as an E-7. My Facility Security Officer here is a retired CW3 and a lesbian. She was a drill sergeant a year before I was born. I concur with Dutch's sentiments.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Don't care what you ****. Do your job or I'll kill you myself.

I don't personally have a problem with that.   

[The Village Idiot]

Ummm no.  All because someone decided to break army regulations to make a personal statement and draw attention to himself.

The military is not supposed to be a social club or a dating scene

[Eupher]

The military is not supposed to be a social club or a dating scene

Correct, but history has shown that the military very much has been a social experiment - chiefly by "progressive" CIC's like Truman and The Incompetent One. In some cases, the military has served as guinea pigs for scientific experiments as well.