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primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« on: June 19, 2009, 04:34:56 PM »
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Oh my.

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rocktivity  (1000+ posts)        Wed May-28-08 09:15 PM
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For the second time this month, the time of both myself and my recruiter has been WASTED because the job was filled internally. What is it that employers find either so logistically impossible or morally reprehensible about trying to fill a job internally FIRST???

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DaveJ  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-02-08 12:46 AM
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1. Sounds like a government or academic job

I think they have rules that say these positions must be posted publicly, even when they already have an internal candidate in mind, just to make it appear they are trying to find the best candidate when they really aren't.

The hardest thing about finding a job is filtering out all the bogus ads.

Yeah, that's it.  That's the real world.

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Berry Cool  (1000+ posts)        Fri Nov-28-08 11:28 AM
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3. This is sad but true.

Many, many times, jobs posted by colleges and universities are posted only because of some sort of obligatory rule--the school already has an internal candidate in mind and has every intention of hiring that person. Any other candidates are brought in and interviewed only to satisfy their obligation to externally recruit for some positions.

It's going through the motions, and they have absolutely no intention of hiring any of the other applicants they interview. They get them all excited and putting their best foot forward for nothing, then leave them feeling screwed over. Sometimes they're not even honest about it, and they leave the person feeling as if they did their absolute best but didn't get the offer anyway. Nothing like it for an ego-damper.

But what they don't realize is they could have been the ideal candidate and still not gotten the offer, because it was never going to go to them.

I think it's a farce and should be illegal, but then what do I know?

Uh huh.

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raccoon  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-10-09 11:30 AM
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4. That sort of thing totally pisses me off, having been the interviewee called in when the employer already had an internal candidate (or other external candidate) ready to slide into the slot, and they were just going through the motions with me and others.

As someone said, colleges and universities are bad about this, as are county/state/local governments.

It really pissed me off that they'd waste my time and money going for these bogus interviews.

Uh huh.

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elehhhhna  (1000+ posts)      Mon Sep-01-08 11:02 AM
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2. Rock, try to get what you can without a recruiter--there's a pricetag on you when you use a headhuter. Unless you work in a very narrow, specific area, spend the time working on your own search.

Ex headhunter here, btw. In this economy, companies do NOT wasn to pay fees, ever...and a recruiter who puts you up for jobs that go to internal hires is not a very good one, anyway, imo. At least find a better recruiter or 3.

Uh, what's wrong with "this economy"?

I thought that all changed on January 20, 2009.

One wonders what's up with that.
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 05:31:52 PM »
Just wait until the "Chicago hiring rules" go into full effect.
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 05:58:46 PM »
their biggest hazard is that someone will give them a job and they lose all their bennies
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 08:55:41 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on June 19, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=362x667

Oh my.

Yeah, that's it.  That's the real world.

Uh huh.

Uh huh.

Uh, what's wrong with "this economy"?

I thought that all changed on January 20, 2009.

One wonders what's up with that.
The directorate I work for is undergoing a restructuring. My current position will be dissolved but they've slated me for a new more permanent position. Still, they have to advertise it as part of the process.
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2009, 03:00:02 AM »
Promoting from within is now morally reprehensible ?



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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2009, 04:12:43 AM »
Quote from: RobJohnson on June 21, 2009, 03:00:02 AM
Promoting from within is now morally reprehensible ?






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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 11:31:59 AM »
What's with this "me and my Recruiter" crap? You know you're pretty useless when you need a recruiter to get a damn job! I've never, ever, had a problem finding a job. My resume is such that they take one look at my experience and we commence to negotiating a wage. Not bragging, okay maybe a little, but I've always worked my butt off, and made money for everyone I have worked for.
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2009, 11:42:36 AM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on June 21, 2009, 11:31:59 AM
What's with this "me and my Recruiter" crap? You know you're pretty useless when you need a recruiter to get a damn job! I've never, ever, had a problem finding a job. My resume is such that they take one look at my experience and we commence to negotiating a wage. Not bragging, okay maybe a little, but I've always worked my butt off, and made money for everyone I have worked for.

Some employers will only use recruiters. There is no other option.
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2009, 03:05:00 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on June 21, 2009, 11:31:59 AM
What's with this "me and my Recruiter" crap? You know you're pretty useless when you need a recruiter to get a damn job! I've never, ever, had a problem finding a job. My resume is such that they take one look at my experience and we commence to negotiating a wage. Not bragging, okay maybe a little, but I've always worked my butt off, and made money for everyone I have worked for.

Well, ya see ... that's your problem right there ... you could NEVER be a DUmmie and make money for others.  That is verbotten.

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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 05:15:28 PM »
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DaveJ  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-02-08 12:46 AM
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1. Sounds like a government or academic job

I think they have rules that say these positions must be posted publicly, even when they already have an internal candidate in mind, just to make it appear they are trying to find the best candidate when they really aren't.

The hardest thing about finding a job is filtering out all the bogus ads.

I'm sure the hardest thing about a job for a DUmmie is actually having to WORK....

No freebies in the real world, sugar....
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 05:28:28 PM »
Aren't these hiring rules in place because of something or another that the libs argued for in the first place?
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Re: primitives discuss common job-seeking hazard
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2009, 06:16:50 PM »
Quote from: FlaGator on June 21, 2009, 05:28:28 PM
Aren't these hiring rules in place because of something or another that the libs argued for in the first place?

Yeah, it was one of those "feel good" things.

They made it mandatory to find the "best possible candidate" for a job by advertising the opening.

But "finding the best possible candidate" is not the same thing as "hiring the best possible candidate."

People making hiring decisions--especially[/i] in government and academics--still continue to hire who they want to hire (an insider, a friend, a relative), and who they wanted to hire even before an advertisement was placed.

It's just one of those totally useless laws that needs repealed, if only to save aspiring candidates ink and paper and time and hopes applying.
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