Union Truth: Former Union Organizer Speaks Out

[NateRiver]

Union Truth
New study by former union organizer sheds light on the real union agenda.
Kate Bronfenbrenner published "No Holds Barred: The Intensification of Employer Opposition to Organizing". One of the points she makes is that only 9% of non-union workers want to join a union but 47% of union members think that most workers want one.

[Lanie]

I could understand the point of unions at one time (like right after the industrial revolution). I can also understand it in the situation of particular jobs. But honestly, I think the Union in most cases is just another company trying to earn their profit by pushing another company. Sometimes, they earn their profit by forcing people to join who don't want to join. I have problems with my boss, but I don't think I need a Union to make things better. I either need to work things out with him or find another job if the first isn't possible.

I will say I might be wishing for a Union once the new minimum wage laws kick in because I am probably not getting a raise just because the government required it for minimum wage workers. And even then, Democrats did that.

[Eupher]

It's real simple:

When unions move in, many plants (like mine) shut down.

It doesn't take a Ph.D to figure out that unions are bad juju anymore.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I could understand the point of unions at one time (like right after the industrial revolution). I can also understand it in the situation of particular jobs. But honestly, I think the Union in most cases is just another company trying to earn their profit by pushing another company. Sometimes, they earn their profit by forcing people to join who don't want to join. I have problems with my boss, but I don't think I need a Union to make things better. I either need to work things out with him or find another job if the first isn't possible.

I will say I might be wishing for a Union once the new minimum wage laws kick in because I am probably not getting a raise just because the government required it for minimum wage workers. And even then, Democrats did that.

I've always wondered why unions are exempt from anti-trust legislation when their very purpose by definition is to corner a labor market. Anti-trust laws are to maintain the consumer protections embodied by a competitive marketplace.

It's almost as if the unions have some sort of political protection racket working for them.

[Lanie]

I've always wondered why unions are exempt from anti-trust legislation when their very purpose by definition is to corner a labor market. Anti-trust laws are to maintain the consumer protections embodied by a competitive marketplace.

It's almost as if the unions have some sort of political protection racket working for them.

Problem is they're not considered a business even though they are.

[Lord Undies]

My secretary of years ago had a husband in the Masons Union.  If I remember correctly, he made $22.00 per hour with 38 hour per week guaranteed during contracts, plus every benefit ever conceived by man.

This mason worker could lay only 100 bricks per day.  He could not lift or transport bricks in any fashion.  He was there to butter & tap.  The man worked maybe 2 hours a day.  Maybe.

The company for which he worked and the local to which he belonged both collapsed in the mid-1980's.  He never got another job and died a couple of years ago, a hopeless alcoholic.

   

[Wineslob]

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Saw the same sort of Union crap in the early 80's doing rice fumigation. The forklift drivers that were stacking the palletized sacks of rice that we were "nuking" were union. They could not do ANYTHING ELSE but drive a forklift (the cocksuckers woulden't even drive a different forklift, it had to be the one assigned to them, so if a guy was "gone" somewhere we had to wait). If they weren't driving a forklift they.......get this......played cards. But to ahere to the Union contract they coulden't sit down on the job. So they made a card table they could stand at. 

[NateRiver]

Problem is they're not considered a business even though they are.

The Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 was first notably used against Eugene Debs and the Railway Union to settle the Pullman Strike long before it was ever used against any corporations. Unions fell under the label of cartels.

 The Clayton Act in 1914 better defined and on some points elaborated the Sherman Act, provided a provision that in some instances exempted unions and agricultural organizations. Under the NLRA it is possible that a union could be charged with violation of the Sherman Anti Trust Act. That would take an Act of Congress and/or a Supreme Court ruling.

Here is a recent ruling where a union lost under the Anti Trust laws
http://www.articlearchives.com/law-legal-system/trial-procedure-litigation/2293772-1.html


 

[Lanie]

The Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 was first notably used against Eugene Debs and the Railway Union to settle the Pullman Strike long before it was ever used against any corporations. Unions fell under the label of cartels.

 The Clayton Act in 1914 better defined and on some points elaborated the Sherman Act, provided a provision that in some instances exempted unions and agricultural organizations. Under the NLRA it is possible that a union could be charged with violation of the Sherman Anti Trust Act. That would take an Act of Congress and/or a Supreme Court ruling.

Here is a recent ruling where a union lost under the Anti Trust laws
http://www.articlearchives.com/law-legal-system/trial-procedure-litigation/2293772-1.html


 

I stand corrected. Okay, thanks.

[Chris]

My secretary of years ago had a husband in the Masons Union.  If I remember correctly, he made $22.00 per hour with 38 hour per week guaranteed during contracts, plus every benefit ever conceived by man.

This mason worker could lay only 100 bricks per day.  He could not lift or transport bricks in any fashion.  He was there to butter & tap.  The man worked maybe 2 hours a day.  Maybe.

The company for which he worked and the local to which he belonged both collapsed in the mid-1980's.  He never got another job and died a couple of years ago, a hopeless alcoholic.

I have a friend who is a drummer in a band.  They were setting up in a recording studio and he had to pay some union guy to set up the recording equipment for them.  2 hours pay for 15 minutes of work they were not allowed to do themselves.  Never mind what goes on in auto factories. 

"Is that an electrical problem?  I ain't touchin' it."

"Is that a mechanical problem?  I ain't touchin' it."

"Is that a facilities problem?  I ain't touchin' it."