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Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« on: June 12, 2009, 10:00:23 AM »
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boston bean (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 10:19 AM
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Obama defends DOMA in federal court. Says banning gay marriage is good for the federal budget. 
 From Americablog:

Joe and I have been trying since last night to get a copy of the government's brief just filed in this case. This is not the GLAD case that we've written about previously, it's another in California. We just got the brief from reader Lavi Soloway. It's pretty despicable. Here is the entire document, and below are excerpts:


"The constitutional propriety of Congress's decision to decline to extend federal benefits immediately to newly recognized types of marriages is bolstered by Congress's articulated interest in preserving the scarce resources of both the federal and State governments. DOMA ensures that evolving understandings of the institution of marriage at the State level do not place greater financial and administrative obligations on federal and state benefits programs. Preserving scarce government resources — and deciding to extend benefits incrementally — are well-recognized legitimate interests under rational-basis review. See Butler, 144 F.3d at 625 ("There is nothing irrational about Congress's stated goal of conserving social security resources, and Congress can incrementally pursue that goal."); Hassan v. Wright, 45 F.3d 1063, 1069 (7th Cir. 1995) ("
rotecting the fisc provides a rational basis for Congress' line drawing in this instance."). Congress expressly relied on these interests in enacting DOMA: Government currently provides an array of material and other benefits to married couples in an effort to promote, protect, and prefer the institution of marriage. . . . If were to permit homosexuals to marry, these marital benefits would, absent some legislative response, presumably have to be made available to homosexual couples and surviving spouses of homosexual marriages on the same terms as they are now available to opposite-sex married couples and spouses. To deny federal recognition to same-sex marriages will thus preserve scarce government resources, surely a legitimate government purpose."

Gays have no constitutional right to marriage, or recognition of their marriages by other states:Plaintiffs are married, and their challenge to the federal Defense of Marriage Act ("DOMA") poses a different set of questions: whether by virtue of their marital status they are constitutionally entitled to acknowledgment of their union by States that do not recognize same-sex marriage, and whether they are similarly entitled to certain federal benefits. Under the law binding on this Court, the answer to these questions must be no.

Read Obama's motion to dismiss DOMA case here:

http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-depart...


 


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redqueen  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 10:24 AM
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2. So.... Obama wrote that motion to dismiss?

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nichomachus (1000+ posts)      Fri Jun-12-09 10:30 AM
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7. Yes he did
 Remember -- the buck stops with him. What the **** -- do you think some underling wrote it and sabotaged Obama with it? He is responsible for whatever the executive branch does -- that's why they call him the ******* president.

Bastard!

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mnhtnbb  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 10:26 AM
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5. OMG. Try changing the language to extending the right to vote to African Americans
 and the stress that will put on scarce government resources and see how it reads.

This is unbelievable. Let's deny equal rights because it will preserve scarce governmental resources.

Jesse Helms would be proud.

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boston bean (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 10:50 AM
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17. Yep here it would be in all it's bigoted glory
 Plaintiffs are of mixed race, and their challenge to the federal Defense of Marriage Act ("DOMA") poses a different set of questions: whether by virtue of their marital status they are constitutionally entitled to acknowledgment of their union by States that do not recognize racially mixed marriage, and whether they are similarly entitled to certain federal benefits. Under the law binding on this Court, the answer to these questions must be no.

sounds pretty grotesque to me.

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GodlessBiker  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 10:26 AM
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6. O...M...G! ******* ******* bastards.

And the top post award go to............

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QC  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jun-12-09 10:40 AM
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11. But surely this must be some kind of triple reverse Mr. Spock 300-dimensional chess strategy
 too complex for mere mortals to comprehend! Mustn't it?

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boston bean (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 10:42 AM
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13. won't be long before someone comes on and asks
 Why can't all these LGBTers (ones who have serious doubts) just hush up and find their place quietly under the bus.

When will they realize that obama is a Socialist and no friend of queers?

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nichomachus (1000+ posts)      Fri Jun-12-09 10:49 AM
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16. Well, they are absolutely correct about saving money
 It will be a cold cold day in hell before I give a cent to any Democrat running for anything. This is going to save me lots and lots of money.
 

Yeah right.

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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2009, 10:04:38 AM »
Poor DUmmies. :evillaugh:
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2009, 10:11:02 AM »
Imagine that, a Dem administration DOJ brief I actually agree with. Sumbitch!

 :cheersmate:
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2009, 10:11:15 AM »
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mnhtnbb  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 10:26 AM
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5. OMG. Try changing the language to extending the right to vote to African Americans
 and the stress that will put on scarce government resources and see how it reads.

This is really a dumbass argument to use.  It's not as if black people were able to vote and chose not too.  They couldn't vote at all.  I think traditional marriage is open to everyone of age who wants to participate.  No one is denied this part of our society.

DUmbass argument.  
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2009, 10:12:32 AM »
Quote from: Tucker13 on June 12, 2009, 10:00:23 AM

When will they realize that obama is a Socialist and no friend of queers?

I dunno.

About the same time the primitives realize terrorists are no friends of theirs.

But of course it's pretty useless to realize something when one's dead.
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2009, 10:15:47 AM »
The GLBT under the bus go bump, bump, bump......
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2009, 10:16:57 AM »
So 0bama is to the right of Cheney on this issue?

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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 10:21:10 AM »
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BolivarianHero (139 posts)        Fri Jun-12-09 11:14 AM
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38. If blood must be spillt to deal with the religious right...
   Then let the ****ers bleed!

Shit-stirring mole.  Which one of you posted this?   :cheersmate:
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 10:21:37 AM »
I'll be interested in seeing just how strongly Dear Leader's justice department presses their side of the case.  I don't put it past this dolt to takes sides on an issue in order to goof it up.

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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 10:22:46 AM »
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Starry Messenger  (1000+ posts)          Fri Jun-12-09 11:15 AM
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39. This is disgusting.
   I'm having so many reactions I don't know where to start. I'm ashamed to be straight today. I'm ashamed to be an American.

So it's just a normal day for you, huh Starry?
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2009, 10:27:15 AM »
I see no other purpose for gays to wish for "marriage" status except to extract the financial benefits society allows.
That makes it a perfectly valid arguement against.
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2009, 10:32:07 AM »
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Starry Messenger  (1000+ posts)          Fri Jun-12-09 11:15 AM
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39. This is disgusting.
   I'm having so many reactions I don't know where to start. I'm ashamed to be straight today. I'm ashamed to be an American.

That's OK, we actually never thought you American, or for that matter relevent, anyway!
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2009, 10:41:09 AM »
Whenever I read a headline here at the DUmpster that says ".......Heads Explode"  it cheers me with a deep warm feeling.   
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2009, 10:47:00 AM »
Quote from: Karin on June 12, 2009, 10:41:09 AM
Whenever I read a headline here at the DUmpster that says ".......Heads Explode"  it cheers me with a deep warm feeling.   

I always try to add a "heads explode", "chaos ensue", "flamesfest", or some such description if it is a particularly entertaining thread.
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2009, 11:26:31 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on June 12, 2009, 10:21:37 AM
I'll be interested in seeing just how strongly Dear Leader's justice department presses their side of the case.  I don't put it past this dolt to takes sides on an issue in order to goof it up.

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So then you subscribe to the triple-reverse-Mr.-Spock-300-dimensional-chess-strategy-too-complex-for-mere-mortals-to-comprehend theory?
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2009, 04:52:02 PM »
Quote from: Carl on June 12, 2009, 10:27:15 AM
I see no other purpose for gays to wish for "marriage" status except to extract the financial benefits society allows.
That makes it a perfectly valid arguement against.

Can I ask why you wanted "marriage" status then?
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2009, 05:13:24 PM »
Quote from: djones520 on June 12, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Can I ask why you wanted "marriage" status then?

Not to offend God.
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2009, 05:14:59 PM »
Quote from: djones520 on June 12, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
Can I ask why you wanted "marriage" status then?

Marriage has always been between a man and a woman.
That there are tax and inheritence benefits that a government has assigned to it is not of consequence to the traditional family reasons for heterosexual marriage.

Gays obviously have no use for the traditional and Biblical meanings so what does that leave.

Yes there are people that have lived together for a long time and eventually do marry for those reasons but even in doing it still hasn`t corrupted the entire reasons for marriage between a man and woman.

And btw not married.....women don`t give me the time of day. :p
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Re: Obama defends DOMA in federal court- Heads explode
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2009, 06:21:54 PM »
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Gays have no constitutional right to marriage, or recognition of their marriages by other states:

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nichomachus (1000+ posts)      Fri Jun-12-09 10:30 AM
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7. Yes he did
Remember -- the buck stops with him. What the **** -- do you think some underling wrote it and sabotaged Obama with it? He is responsible for whatever the executive branch does -- that's why they call him the ******* president.

Oh the tragedy, the anger, the hate, the sheer terror of it all - quite juicy if y'all ASSk me!

Welcome to liberal throat cutting and under bus tossing class 101.

Enjoy you asshats!
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