Bruning (AG-Ne) 'disgusted' by plan for third-trimester abortions at Bellevue

[MrsSmith]

Omaha Steve  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jun-11-09 08:40 PM
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Bruning (AG-Ne) 'disgusted' by plan for third-trimester abortions at Bellevue (Ne) clinic
 
I live just a short distance away from the clinic. I'm sure protests will be getting larger.

http://omaha.com/article/20090611/NEWS01/306119676

Published Thursday June 11, 2009

BY PAUL HAMMEL AND MICHAEL O'CONNOR
WORLD-HERALD BUREAU

LINCOLN — "Loopholes" provided in the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that upheld abortion rights apparently will allow third-trimester abortions at a Bellevue clinic, the Nebraska attorney general said Thursday.

"I'm disgusted and saddened," Attorney General Jon Bruning said, calling one of the exceptions so wide "you can drive a truck through."

Dr. LeRoy Carhart said Wednesday he plans to offer third-trimester abortions temporarily at his Bellevue clinic.

Carhart said he would offer the abortions only in cases where the fetus had organ damage or other medical problems preventing its survival outside the mother's body.

The doctor said he has not performed abortions in Nebraska past the 22nd week of pregnancy previously because he could refer women who needed them to Dr. George Tiller's clinic in Wichita, Kan.

Tiller's clinic closed after his shooting death May 31. Now Carhart will offer abortions beyond 22 weeks, including those in the third trimester, which begins about the 28th week.

FULL story at link.
 

Stellabella (1000+ posts)      Thu Jun-11-09 08:45 PM
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1. FU, Bruning. You're a clueless dimwit who has NO IDEA what women
 in these desperate situations go through.

I am sick to death of these stupid men proclaiming these medical procedures unnecessary when they are totally ignorant of the crucial need to save the mother's life and health. Shut up, Bruning. And crawl back under your rock.

Talk about totally ignorant!!!  Stella, you're a clueless dimwit who can't even read an article.  Late term abortions are never about saving the mother, C-sections do that, they are ALL about making the mother "feel better" by killing the baby before birth...even if the "horrible deformity" is a probability of Downs Syndrome.   

[Carl]

Abortion is about irresponsible men and women not wanting to own up to the consequense of their actions.

[Miss Mia]

Abortion is about irresponsible men and women not wanting to own up to the consequense of their actions.

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

[Vagabond]

I'll admit to being pro-life being trying at times.  I have a half second cousin that was born just two months ago.  He does not have a frontal lobe or neocortex, he was born with a lower brain.  However long this child lives, he will be completely dependent upon other people.  The doctor spotted the defect at about 7 1/2 months into the pregnancy.

I can admit to thinking that it might have been a better option to abort that child even though it goes against my beliefs. 

[Carl]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

We are friends Mia and I don`t wish to have an argument but I will also stand by my words.
The percentage of abortions performed as a result of rape is?

By rape I am referring to a violent attack from someone.
I know it is a sensitive subject and I will probably get flamed a bit but I am always a bit leery of date rape claims.
Yes it happens,not denying it and am the last person in the world that would be callous to a lady that has been attacked and violated.

I also know (not been accused,for information sake) of ladies that were involved in 100 % consensual sex and the "rape" occurred well after the fact as a way to rationalize what happened when they now regretted participating.
They find or imagine some action they did which then they say was resisting and thus it was against their will.
That happens too and it cheapens the word as it relates to those who truly are victims of violence.

You know I respect you as a person Mia but think that is something of a strawman in the debate regarding abortion.

I also believe that many men who are ardent abortion advocates are so because they want an easy out from responsibility without them having to do even the simple thing of using a condom to avoid a pregnancy.

[jtyangel]

I'll admit to being pro-life being trying at times.  I have a half second cousin that was born just two months ago.  He does not have a frontal lobe or neocortex, he was born with a lower brain.  However long this child lives, he will be completely dependent upon other people.  The doctor spotted the defect at about 7 1/2 months into the pregnancy.

I can admit to thinking that it might have been a better option to abort that child even though it goes against my beliefs. 

Babies like that are fully formed, Vag. They can be delivered instead of aborted. The same procedure used to induce birth in a full term infant can be done in this situation. Since the birth is still a live birth it's not hte same thing as an abortion.

Once again, abortion is unnecessary.

Mia, I love ya, but the rape argument has always been thrown out there and it is very rare of a situation where it seems pro-abortion folks grasp at straws--and rape does not justify the kind of abortion lawas in the place now, nor does it make any argument for 3rd trimester abortions at all. It also denies the instances where MEN have used abortion to cover up criminal activity ie rape, especially in minors. You can't take abortion for rape in good terms without accepting its bad side.

I can see a positive aspect to carrying a child to term in a rape situation as well and ADOPTING that child out. It would be sort of vindicating to see some positive come out of something heinous.

[Lord Undies]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

Should we rent an auditorium so you can tell them all at the same time?

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

We are friends Mia and I don`t wish to have an argument but I will also stand by my words.
The percentage of abortions performed as a result of rape is?

By rape I am referring to a violent attack from someone.
I know it is a sensitive subject and I will probably get flamed a bit but I am always a bit leery of date rape claims.
Yes it happens,not denying it and am the last person in the world that would be callous to a lady that has been attacked and violated.

I also know (not been accused,for information sake) of ladies that were involved in 100 % consensual sex and the "rape" occurred well after the fact as a way to rationalize what happened when they now regretted participating.
They find or imagine some action they did which then they say was resisting and thus it was against their will.
That happens too and it cheapens the word as it relates to those who truly are victims of violence.

You know I respect you as a person Mia but think that is something of a strawman in the debate regarding abortion.

I also believe that many men who are ardent abortion advocates are so because they want an easy out from responsibility without them having to do even the simple thing of using a condom to avoid a pregnancy.

Well Carl,I think that is true in some cases but I also believe that the feminist movement have bullied weak men into being complicit! It takes strength and confidence in your opinion to be a pro-life man! I have been calle every name in the book by pro-abortion women it doesn't change my opinion a lick!

[Vagabond]

Babies like that are fully formed, Vag. They can be delivered instead of aborted. The same procedure used to induce birth in a full term infant can be done in this situation. Since the birth is still a live birth it's not hte same thing as an abortion.

Once again, abortion is unnecessary.

Mia, I love ya, but the rape argument has always been thrown out there and it is very rare of a situation where it seems pro-abortion folks grasp at straws--and rape does not justify the kind of abortion lawas in the place now, nor does it make any argument for 3rd trimester abortions at all. It also denies the instances where MEN have used abortion to cover up criminal activity ie rape, especially in minors. You can't take abortion for rape in good terms without accepting its bad side.

I can see a positive aspect to carrying a child to term in a rape situation as well and ADOPTING that child out. It would be sort of vindicating to see some positive come out of something heinous.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

I have nothing but sympathy for women who have been raped,but isn't it just adding to the tragedy of the rape by killing an unborn child? In other words you're using a negative to cancel out  another negative. It will never change the fact that the rape took place.

[USA4ME]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

I agree with the others who have stated this because it's the truth; that is, it's tragic if a woman becomes pregnant because of rape or incest, but killing the unborn is not the solution, it's still murder and will be judged by God that way.  These friends you know need to repent and beg forgiveness.

.

[Wineslob]

I'll admit to being pro-life being trying at times.  I have a half second cousin that was born just two months ago.  He does not have a frontal lobe or neocortex, he was born with a lower brain.  However long this child lives, he will be completely dependent upon other people.  The doctor spotted the defect at about 7 1/2 months into the pregnancy.

I can admit to thinking that it might have been a better option to abort that child even though it goes against my beliefs. 

What do the parents think?

[Wineslob]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

While the situation from that (wondering how many you really know) is aweful........why should the child pay for it with it's life?

[BEG]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

To throw another anecdotal observation out there, not ONE person I know who have had an abortion (and some of them have had multiple abortions) have had an abortion because of rape.  I don't even know one person who has had an abortion because something was wrong with the fetus or because their life was in danger.  Go figure. 

I do know several people who have had multiple abortions and used it as a form of birth control.  One in particular had more than TEN abortions because she was having affairs with married men and wanted to make them leave their wives and when they wouldn't leave them she would abort the "products of conception" and move on to the next married man. 

*Edited to add:  I was told to abort my third child because my life was in "danger".  They knew nothing of my disease and pregnancy and felt I could very easily have another stroke and die while pregnant or during delivery (C-section was not a reasonable option for me because I could have gotten blood clots and the clots could have gotten stuck in my stents).  I was also on Methotrexate when I got pregnant (causes spina bifida and spontaneous miscarriage).  I was advised by two of my doctors to abort and as you know I refused.  Can you imagine Sarah not being here?  I know it could have gone the other way and I could have died and left my other two kids with out a mother but I thought it was worth the risk to bring my child into the world.  BUT I want to add that I hold no ill will towards someone who truly has a life or death decision to make and abortion is the only option but again I feel those times are seriously few and far between.

[VivisMom]

I have nothing but sympathy for women who have been raped,but isn't it just adding to the tragedy of the rape by killing an unborn child? In other words you're using a negative to cancel out  another negative. It will never change the fact that the rape took place.

In a word: yes.

My mother was raped when she was in her late 20's, by a man that she knew. When she found out she was pregnant-she wanted the baby. However, she would have been financially unable to handle it, and the man who raped her wanted nothing to do with her or the baby. Her parents would have disowned her. She had no friends or family who could help her, and so she went against everything she wanted and had an abortion. Not a day went by that my mother didn't think of that child and what she had done. The abortion scarred her worse than the rape because she got over the rape, but she never got over her abortion.

Having seen firsthand how abortion affects a woman-even a woman who has experienced a violation of her body by a man forcing himself on her-I would never, ever counsel a woman to get an abortion. It only adds to the already awful feelings that the victim already has. There are better ways to handle it.

[AllosaursRus]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

I'm curious, just how many women do you know of that this has happened to? The way it sounds, it must be quite a few.

Oh, and was it the childs's fault?

[delilahmused]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

Only about 1% of all abortions are due to rape and incest. About 6% are because of health issues with the baby or mom. The rest, 93% are because someone didn't want the inconvenience of having a baby, even to do the moral thing and put it up for adoption. Maybe there are certain areas of the country where there are more rapes that result in pregnancy which leads to abortion because everyone I know whose had an abortion has done so to remove an inconvenience from their life. Still, as sympathetic as I am to your friends, it's sadder than an innocent baby has to suffer. Death is far more debilitating than rape.

Cindie

[MrsSmith]

I'll be sure to pass that along to the women I've know that have had abortions due to rape.

As has been pointed out, women recover from rape.  Babies don't recover from being murdered in payment for their fathers' sins.

[PatriotGame]

I'll admit to being pro-life being trying at times.  I have a half second cousin that was born just two months ago.  He does not have a frontal lobe or neocortex, he was born with a lower brain.  However long this child lives, he will be completely dependent upon other people.  The doctor spotted the defect at about 7 1/2 months into the pregnancy.

I can admit to thinking that it might have been a better option to abort that child even though it goes against my beliefs. 

Well, he is a prime candidate for the democrat party. I dunno - in this case you have to decide which you believe in more - God's will or the power of the scalpel.