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Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« on: June 10, 2009, 07:30:22 AM »
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Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool

POCATELLO, Idaho —  A same-sex couple and their three foster children were denied a reduced admission price to a pool in eastern Idaho because the Lava Hot Springs State Foundation says the five don't fit the definition of a family.

Amber Koger and Jeri Underwood say they and their three children were recently denied the resort's advertised family admission price to the Olympic Swimming Complex at Lava Hot Springs.

"What made me mad is that their definition leaves out a lot of families," Koger told the Idaho State Journal. "What you're saying is that because we're gay, we're not a family."

No, being gay doesn't automatically make you a family.   :whatever:

If they're going to give family discounts, they need some sort of definition.  Otherwise, any group of people that walks up can claim to be a family and demand the discount.  That was not the intent of the discount. BTW, discounts are not a right, they're a privilege offered by the merchant.

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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 07:34:58 AM »
I used to live in this area as a kid (Montpelier, Soda Springs, Dingle).  Lava Hot Springs is on the way between Soda and Pocatello.

VERY conservative, heavily LDS.  Not a big surprise there.  I'm sure my old neighbors in Montpelier are just shaking their heads when they see these tourists.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 08:22:09 AM »
It seems that one of the adults should have been allowed in with the children under the family rate with the other adult paying their full rate.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 08:23:19 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on June 10, 2009, 08:22:09 AM
It seems that one of the adults should have been allowed in with the children under the family rate with the other adult paying their full rate.

That seems like a reasonable compromise. 
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 11:43:47 AM »
Given the family rate at LHS, they would have been better off paying individually anyway.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 06:33:53 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 10, 2009, 11:43:47 AM
Given the family rate at LHS, they would have been better off paying individually anyway.
It's not the MONEY, it's the PRINCIPLE.   :lmao:
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2009, 02:18:38 PM »
What if two brothers lived together and adopted the kids from some of their siblings?  Would they be considered a "family"?

I think it's one thing to fight the whole marriage thing, but it's getting too ridiculous when we start wanting to define "family" especially when there are so many kids in the system who just need some stability and someone to love and provide for them.  Every household isn't comprised the same.  This one touched a nerve, at a certain point, we need to start minding our own business when it comes to others personal and private lives.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 02:27:21 PM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 02:18:38 PM
What if two brothers lived together and adopted the kids from some of their siblings?  Would they be considered a "family"?

I think it's one thing to fight the whole marriage thing, but it's getting too ridiculous when we start wanting to define "family" especially when there are so many kids in the system who just need some stability and someone to love and provide for them.  Every household isn't comprised the same.  This one touched a nerve, at a certain point, we need to start minding our own business when it comes to others personal and private lives.

That works the other way around too.  Some people need to stop forcing me to accept their idea of what constitutes a family and mind their own business.   Private businesses can set their own rules.  "Fairness" is a fairytale for the emotionally challenged.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 05:19:01 PM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 02:18:38 PM
What if two brothers lived together and adopted the kids from some of their siblings?  Would they be considered a "family"?

I think it's one thing to fight the whole marriage thing, but it's getting too ridiculous when we start wanting to define "family" especially when there are so many kids in the system who just need some stability and someone to love and provide for them.  Every household isn't comprised the same.  This one touched a nerve, at a certain point, we need to start minding our own business when it comes to others personal and private lives.
Does that mean you oppose "gay pride" parades and special rights for gays?
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 05:21:31 PM »
Quote from: lug-nut on June 16, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Does that mean you oppose "gay pride" parades and special rights for gays?


Nope, those pride parades allow for easier stoning as a group.  :fuelfire:
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 05:38:48 PM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 02:18:38 PM
What if two brothers lived together and adopted the kids from some of their siblings?  Would they be considered a "family"?

I think it's one thing to fight the whole marriage thing, but it's getting too ridiculous when we start wanting to define "family" especially when there are so many kids in the system who just need some stability and someone to love and provide for them.  Every household isn't comprised the same.  This one touched a nerve, at a certain point, we need to start minding our own business when it comes to others personal and private lives.

Maybe we shouldn't try to tell businesses how to run their business?
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 06:18:40 PM »
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"We are a state agency bound by all the laws of the state of Idaho"

And therein lies the problem....They are not a private business and even if they were could set themselves up for a discrimination lawsuit.

As far as gay pride parades.....

I could care less as long as it's within the confines of the law.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 06:25:24 PM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 06:18:40 PM
And therein lies the problem....They are not a private business and even if they were could set themselves up for a discrimination lawsuit.

As far as gay pride parades.....

I could care less as long as it's within the confines of the law.

Discrimination??  Of whom?  These queers are not free to dictate who must be accepted as a family.  They have no legal grounds.  They could be two runaways from a college dorm who "borrowed" a couple of kids from down the street for all the ticket seller knows. 
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 06:28:01 PM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 06:18:40 PM
And therein lies the problem....They are not a private business and even if they were could set themselves up for a discrimination lawsuit.

As far as gay pride parades.....

I could care less as long as it's within the confines of the law.
And therein lies the problem.  The voters have spoken repeatedly about this absurd idea that any 2 sexually involved people can create a marriage...and the response from those wanting special rights was to go to court to force their opinion upon the 70% of the country that understands what constitutes marriage.   A family is the husband and wife in a marriage, and the children they are raising...not just any batch of people who arrive at the same time.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 08:07:44 PM »
Like I said, people--I've LIVED in this area for a number of years in my misspent youth.

Good luck getting ANY jury to award more than a middle finger to any potential lawsuit that is brought up.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2009, 06:56:26 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 02:18:38 PM
... we need to start minding our own business when it comes to others personal and private lives.


Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 06:18:40 PM
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As far as gay pride parades.....

I could care less as long as it's within the confines of the law.

It would seem you can't make up your mind.  Therein lies the problem.   :whatever:

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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2009, 07:02:37 AM »
Quote from: lug-nut on June 17, 2009, 06:56:26 AM

It would seem you can't make up your mind.  Therein lies the problem.   :whatever:



That makes no sense on your part.  I stated that I don't care in both instances.  I believe we shouldn't legislate our beliefs, that is all.  Obviously I don't accept homosexuality....
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2009, 07:21:12 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 07:02:37 AM
That makes no sense on your part.  I stated that I don't care in both instances.  I believe we shouldn't legislate our beliefs, that is all.  Obviously I don't accept homosexuality....

All legislation is based on beliefs of one fashion or the other.  Are you advocating we wipe the slate clean and have a free-for-all? 
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2009, 07:32:50 AM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on June 17, 2009, 07:21:12 AM
All legislation is based on beliefs of one fashion or the other.  Are you advocating we wipe the slate clean and have a free-for-all? 

I was trying to give simple responses to lenghthy thoughts lest I be tarred and feathered for my typically long missives.

Principally, I believe that issues such at these as they relate to what two consenting adults do and the rights their of should be left up to individual States and private institutions.  When it becomes Federal the only thing I expect is equal protection under the law.  I happen to believe is less government.

That being said as it relates to this particular issue, this was not a privately owned business, therefore they have to give equal access and protections and can't discriminate on things such as fees because of personally held beliefs, unless it just so happens that there is a state or federal statute that happens to agree with their beliefs.

From the article, the only thing we got was one of the management stating that the state of Idaho defines "family" as one man and one woman.  And I doubt that is on the books, because "family" is a broad term and if we used that polarizing definition, than people like me never had a family even though all my caretakers were straight.  See the issue there.

I think the marriage issue was confused with "family" and that is a problem.  Obviously, the State of Idaho considers them a family or they wouldn't give them foster children.

As far as gay pride parades, if it's legal, I don't object.

I'm not stating that we should have a free for all, but once we begin asking government to intercede on behalf of our personal beliefs, we are asking for more government and like I stated I believe in less government.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2009, 08:14:46 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 07:02:37 AM
That makes no sense on your part.  I stated that I don't care in both instances.  I believe we shouldn't legislate our beliefs, that is all.  Obviously I don't accept homosexuality....

But you're totally okay with sharia law being applied.

Got it.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 08:53:12 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 17, 2009, 08:14:46 AM
But you're totally okay with sharia law being applied.

Got it.

Where have I stated that?  Or is it that mud sligging, slander, name calling, and defamation is the status quo around here?
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2009, 09:10:24 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 08:53:12 AM
Where have I stated that?  Or is it that mud sligging, slander, name calling, and defamation is the status quo around here?

No, you haven't stated that and I too wondered from where it came.  I understand the question though. 

Your tone seems to be in favor of "whatever" as far as the radical homosexual agenda is concerned.  Most folks like myself find that attitude extreme.  Homosexuals are not special in any shape or fashion.  Homosexuals walk through their day with the exact same rights as you and I.  They are denied NOTHING.  Homosexuals have every right to get married and whatever else.  The fact their sexual appetite does not compel them to take advantage of these rights is not my problem.  It isn't society's problem. 

In fact, I have a better case to demand that I be allowed to live in a civilized society which does not recognize and indulge every weird and unconventional personal choice made by some radically inclined oddballs than the radically inclined oddballs have in trying to force their whims on society.   
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2009, 11:05:09 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 07:02:37 AM
That makes no sense on your part. 
You contradicted yourself and got caught....again.
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I stated that I don't care in both instances. 
No, that's not what you said.  I even quoted it.  You do appear to care and said that "we need to start minding our own business when it comes to others personal and private lives".  Gay pride parades don't do that."
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I believe we shouldn't legislate our beliefs, that is all. 
All our laws legislate beliefs.
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Obviously I don't accept homosexuality....
But you said:
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I could care less as long as it's within the confines of the law.
Seems you still don't know what you believe.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2009, 11:13:46 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 08:53:12 AM
Where have I stated that?  Or is it that mud sligging, slander, name calling, and defamation is the status quo around here?

Fine.  Deny it.
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Re: Same-Sex Couple, Children Denied Family Rate at Idaho Pool
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2009, 11:29:18 AM »
OK, if you have to paint me as a liar do as you will, I'm certain nothing I can state will stop that allegation anyway.  As the rules are if you don't agree with us, your (...insert derogatory...)
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