primitives want to lower age of eligibililty for free medical care

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5815724

This is no surprise.

eridani  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-10-09 02:13 AM
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Lower the Medicare eligibility age to 55

As long as so many are into incrementalism here, that particular bit of incrementalism is something I would back in a New York minute.

However, franksolich suspects the opposite is more likely to happen, if anything at all happens; as with social security retirement, the age is more likely to be increased, not decreased, in this 0bamareich.

Manifestor_of_Light  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-10-09 02:28 AM
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1. Hell, lower it to 45.

Lots of us have chronic health problems before we are 65.

I was diagosed with hypertension when I was 35.

One wonders if the manifesting primitive's since used non-pharmaceutical means of controllilng the high blood pressure, such as losing a little bit of weight, or if the manifesting primitive is relying on pills to do a job pills can't do alone.

eridani  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-10-09 02:29 AM
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2. Why noit? Eventually, everybody is in.

Manifestor_of_Light  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-10-09 02:40 AM
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3. My first chronic health problem started when I was a little kid.

Constant allergies and nearsightedness (needed glasses badly).

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-10-09 03:25 AM
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4. Lower it to conception. Medicare for all regardless of age is the goal we should strive for. Bernie Sanders gave a stirring half hour commentary on CSPAN this morning. I hope somebody posts the video. He seems to be impassioned for single payer again. For a while he seemed ready to accept a hybrid insurance/public option plan, but like some of us has changed his mind back to single payer or bust because he sees that the insurance lobby will kill any meaningful legislation until we get rid of them.

If I were Jr. from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, I would be far more interested in nursing home insurance.

Oregone (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-10-09 03:31 AM
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5. Lower it to 0 years old

stray cat  (1000+ posts)     Wed Jun-10-09 08:11 AM
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6. And increase taxes on all of us to pay for it - remember coming up with a payment plan

I pay about 8000 per year for insurance for one employee - I expect we need to come up with a similar amount or close to it for everyone in the US - which may be the way to go but no plans for benefits without being honest about where the money comes from. People talk as if health care is free because it is a right - nothing consumable is free.

Uh-oh.  The stray cat primitive's talking in non-primitivese; the primitives don't understand any language but their own, alas.

[NHSparky]

I wonder if the DUmmies are aware that if one can demonstrate need; i.e., disability, one can in fact draw Medicare prior to age 55...just sayin.  Case in point, my mother.

[Traveshamockery]

Most of the dummies do not care how much "free" health care costs because someone else will be paying for it, pretty much the way the rest of their lives operate. 

[RobJohnson]

Manifestor_of_Light  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-10-09 02:40 AM
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3. My first chronic health problem started when I was a little kid.

Constant allergies and nearsightedness (needed glasses badly).

 

I need Zyrtec and glasses, single payer now!!!!

 

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-10-09 03:25 AM
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4. Lower it to conception. Medicare for all regardless of age is the goal we should strive for. Bernie Sanders gave a stirring half hour commentary on CSPAN this morning. I hope somebody posts the video. He seems to be impassioned for single payer again. For a while he seemed ready to accept a hybrid insurance/public option plan, but like some of us has changed his mind back to single payer or bust because he sees that the insurance lobby will kill any meaningful legislation until we get rid of them.

Most DUmmies are born with a stick up their ass, I can see the need for this.........

[NHSparky]

WTF...I wonder where the allergic DUmmie lives.  I could show him some wicked awesome pollen the last couple of weeks.  He'd be mainlining Claritin-D if he could get it.

But nah, it's easier to have someone else pay $40 bucks for a prescription rather than drag his sorry ass down to CVS or Wally World and pay $6 for the same damned thing.

[docstew]

Cleita  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-10-09 03:25 AM
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4. Lower it to conception. Medicare for all regardless of age is the goal we should strive for. Bernie Sanders gave a stirring half hour commentary on CSPAN this morning. I hope somebody posts the video. He seems to be impassioned for single payer again. For a while he seemed ready to accept a hybrid insurance/public option plan, but like some of us has changed his mind back to single payer or bust because he sees that the insurance lobby will kill any meaningful legislation until we get rid of them.

Is the DUmmie stating life begins at conception?  So, what does that make those who provide abortions?

[JohnnyReb]

Remember the DUmmie motto...."if it's free, it's for me."

.....and if it ain't.......

"Make it so, number one."
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Borrowed that line from Star Trek because it so describes the reason DUmmies voted for the "Big Zero".

[Rebel]

For these goons to say someone has a "right" to healthcare means someone else doesn't have the "right" to get compensated for their own labor.

Hey DUmbasses, move to Cuba. I'll pay your way and donate ALL of my skymiles to get you there. I'll even agree to a 1-month travel restriction ban so you can fly direct.

[docstew]

For these goons to say someone has a "right" to healthcare means someone else doesn't have the "right" to get compensated for their own labor.
Hey DUmbasses, move to Cuba. I'll pay your way and donate ALL of my skymiles to get you there. I'll even agree to a 1-month travel restriction ban so you can fly direct.

Just goes to show that they don't have a problem with slavery/indentured service.  They're always bitching about what "big Oil", "Big Pharma", and "Big Med" should GIVE them... what about what they should give back?

[RobJohnson]

WTF...I wonder where the allergic DUmmie lives.  I could show him some wicked awesome pollen the last couple of weeks.  He'd be mainlining Claritin-D if he could get it.

But nah, it's easier to have someone else pay $40 bucks for a prescription rather than drag his sorry ass down to CVS or Wally World and pay $6 for the same damned thing.

The doctors write Singular and Allegra for medicaid patients, these drugs run a couple hundred bucks every month...when in most cases a store brand OTC would work.......

I heard a customer yelling at a pharmacy employee, he wanted to know what his wife was going to do, as she needed the very expensive stomache medication that her Medicaid would not pay for without prior authorization...."what am I going to do, she needs that tonight" I wanted to say "get a job and buy her something"   He was holding up the line I was standing in.  The pharmacy explained that there was some things over the counter that might help her until the issue could be resolved. His reply indicated he was not interested in that. I'm pretty sure he went back to the doctor's office, rasing hell, waving the prescription in his hand, until they wrote for a different drug. The gas he spent would of paid for some mylanta.  When he walked away from the counter, so that others could be waited on, he said "well that was a waste of my time" of course he forgot about the time he wasted for us, standing in line behind him, while he tried to get something for "free."



In many cases, the DUmmies are on medications that are more then what they really need, but since they are Rx only drugs, the state pays. This makes sure the DUmmies still have cable, internet & junk food.....then when they get  DUmmy Tummy, our tax dollars pay for that also.....  Any little sniffle, they run to the doctor, just so they don't have to waste money on kleenex. It saves trees! 

[The Village Idiot]

They are far more likely to cut off healthcare for the old than help people.

I understand the first things they will limit are MRI-Cat scans, backpain medication and C-sections

[jukin]

They are far more likely to cut off healthcare for the old than help people.

I understand the first things they will limit are MRI-Cat scans, backpain medication and C-sections

Already doing that in medicare.  I point and laugh at the seasoned citizens with Obama stickers on their cars.  These older citizens have voted to decrease their life by 2-3 years.  Did any of the DUchebags read what puff, tax cheater Daschle wrote about rationing senior healthcare?

[The Village Idiot]

Already doing that in medicare.  I point and laugh at the seasoned citizens with Obama stickers on their cars.  These older citizens have voted to decrease their life by 2-3 years.  Did any of the DUchebags read what puff, tax cheater Daschle wrote about rationing senior healthcare?

have they heard of Medicaid??

[NHSparky]

You had to go there with the old people crack, didn't ya Dummies?

[delilahmused]

WTF...I wonder where the allergic DUmmie lives.  I could show him some wicked awesome pollen the last couple of weeks.  He'd be mainlining Claritin-D if he could get it.

But nah, it's easier to have someone else pay $40 bucks for a prescription rather than drag his sorry ass down to CVS or Wally World and pay $6 for the same damned thing.

Actually, there are people those don't work on. I've tried them all and I live on a farm surrounded by hay so it's not something I can do without. The only over the counter one that works is Benadryl and it knocks me out. I take Singulair. Unfortunately, it's not available over the counter. So there are times when "over the counter" won't work. Also, with some pharmacies offering $4.00 prescriptions that's often a cheaper option. I don't know what prices are like where you live but here I can't even get the store brand of Claritin for that.

Cindie

[RobJohnson]

Actually, there are people those don't work on. I've tried them all and I live on a farm surrounded by hay so it's not something I can do without. The only over the counter one that works is Benadryl and it knocks me out. I take Singulair. Unfortunately, it's not available over the counter. So there are times when "over the counter" won't work. Also, with some pharmacies offering $4.00 prescriptions that's often a cheaper option. I don't know what prices are like where you live but here I can't even get the store brand of Claritin for that.

Cindie

I agree that some folks do need Rx drugs for allergies, especially if they also have asthma. But I know for a fact, that some doctors tend to write these drugs because "medicaid" will pay for it, when the family has never spent one dime trying anything over the counter first. Most of the popular OTC allergy drugs used to be very expensive prescription only drugs.