DU 9/11 Post of the day: EMP caused cars to burn...

[dutch508]

spooked911  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-08-09 08:44 AM
Original message
Why Steven Jones Can't Be Trusted and EMP from Nukes Caused the Inflamed Cars at The WTC
 Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 08:58 AM by spooked911
By The Anonymous Physicist
link at DU

Despite the ongoing, massive Intel agency efforts to push the physically impossible “thermite burns forever” scam on 9/11 truthers, we in the know about the nuking of the WTC and the China Syndrome Aftermath must continue to get the truth out. First it boggles the mind how anyone could give any credence at all to Steven Jones, when his past is known. His role in being inserted to shoot down Cold Fusion in its infancy is depicted here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTWa0sdMRs . Even recently the TV show “60 Minutes” interviewed top scientists who were initially skeptical, but who concluded, after actually studying the experiments, that it worked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-B33dGUbRg , as does the U.S. Naval Laboratory http://www.naturalnews.com/025925.html .

Now Steven Jones, PhD states that there's no evidence of nukes on 9/11. In support of that, he states that there's no evidence of EMPs (Electromagnetic Pulses produced when a nuke goes off). And in support of the latter, he simply says the only possible evidence of EMP was phone or radio problems, and that he says can be explained away without resorting to EMP.

Now the truth is that this is part of the reason that a nuclear physicist was inserted into 9/11 truth, with an impossible Limited Hangout of “thermite burns forever.” That nuclear physicist knows full well that ONLY the nuking of the WTC and the China Syndrome Aftermath fit all the evidence of what happened during and after WTC destruction. This article http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com/2008/05/summary-of-ev... I wrote summarizes the evidence, and eyewitness testimony from first responders (including Ondrovic, Ruiz, Guttenberg), from my previous articles of EMP during WTC destruction. Included therein was my explanation for the half-burnt cars. I explained that the air gap in the car doors prevented the flow of current, and is the only explanation for the sharp contrast in half-burnt/half-pristine cars seen near the WTC. Also I pointed out how several first responders saw cars catch fire FOR NO APPARENT OR VISIBLE REASON. In one case, EMT Patricia Ondrovic suffered rib injuries when a car door exploded off a car that had just caught fire FOR NO APPARENT REASON near WTC6 as it, and WTC 2, were being destroyed. Paramedic Ruiz similarly reported a nearby car instantly inflamed for no apparent reason, during tower destruction. I repeat that Jones completely ignores all this evidence because, of course, the nuclear physicist knows full well that there is no other explanation-- besides EMP-- for these things! And his Intel Op-Plan is to forever yell, “Thermite burns forever” to cover-up the long half-life radioactive, fission bomb remnants in the rubble pile, that he also knows full well was the source of the great heat therein.

Now I relate how EMPs, from nukes, are known to cause such damage, as the cars catching fire. But first we must remember that the intensity and effective distance of EMP from a nuke depends on the type, yield, shielding, and altitude of the nuke exploding. I have cited that large, high altitude nukes can cause a continent-wide EMP. In this light, this Wiki piece on the American and Soviet High altitude nuclear bomb explosions of the late 1950’s and early 1960’s, is instructive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_nuclear_expl... (Also remember I have detailed elsewhere the real reason for nuking the near-Earth Space that endangered all life on this Planet as it could have eradicated protective Van Allen belts that shield the Earth from dangerous forms of radiation.)

Now that Wiki piece contains the following regarding EMPs from high-altitude nukes:

1.”in July 1962 the Starfish Prime test <1.4 Mt, 400 km.altitude> damaged electronics in Honolulu and New Zealand (approximately 1,300 kilometers away), fused 300 street lights on Oahu (Hawaii), set off about 100 burglar alarms, and caused the failure of a microwave repeating station on Kauai, which cut off the sturdy telephone system from the other Hawaiian islands…”

2. “A 300-Kt missile-warhead detonated near Dzhezkazgan at 290-km altitude. The EMP fused 570 km of overhead telephone line with a measured current of 2,500 A, started a fire that burned down the Karaganda power plant, and shut down 1,000-km of shallow-buried power cables between Aqmola and Almaty.”

You see from the above that a power plant in Kazakhstan caught fire and burnt down--all from EMP from a nuke 290 Km overhead. Surely, as I have stated, metallic cars catching fire within a couple of blocks of the mini- or micro-nukes going off in the towers AND WTC6 (as I have hypothesized) could only have been caused by the EMP-- especially when in several cases THERE WERE PEOPLE NEARBY THAT WERE UNAFFECTED, as they would not have been if was heat or “DEW” that caused this. Again ONLY EMPs account for the phenomena I have cited in the half burnt cars, or cars instantly and completely catching fire, some with car doors then exploding off of them.

In summary, this article cites the fires and other damage on Earth from the EMPs from high altitude nukes, to support the claim that the damaged and instantly inflamed car evidence I previously cited also could only have come from EMPs, from the exploding of mini-nukes very nearby and within the WTC buildings. The very short distance-- several blocks-- of the WTC EMP range fits the data well in comparison to the vastly larger nukes exploded at high altitude in the 1950’s and 1960’s by the USA and USSR. No other rational explanation has ever been offered for the various car phenomena I have cited and explained. No other known physical phenomena, except EMP, can account for the half-burnt/half-pristine cars, or the instantly enflamed cars not impacted by any material entities, with nearby unaffected people. As we are dealing with Intel shills from the murderous regime that perpetrated 9/11, the “theorists” from other 9/11 camps can forever be expected to either pretend this evidence does not exist, or merely claim that their hangout can explain these phenomena-- when they clearly cannot. While there are unfortunately still too many people suckered into believing the impossible thermite scam, the day will yet come-- with your help in promulgating these ideas-- where the Intel mantra, “Thermite burns forever” will be equated with “Oswald did it after all.” Both, however, remain physically impossible, and are indications of a scared regime fearful of the gallows when the people wake up and act.
 

because spooked is a loony tune of the greatist order...

[NHSparky]

There ain't enough antidote to cure that kind of stupid.

[thundley4]

There ain't enough antidote to cure that kind of stupid.

It can be treated quite effectively with a self administered dose of lead poisoning.

[tuolumnejim]

It can be treated quite effectively with a self administered dose of lead poisoning.

You beat me to the only known cure for this kind of stupid. 

[AprilRazz]

Can someone give me the cliff notes of that dribble? My ADD kicked in after the first few sentences.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Can someone give me the cliff notes of that dribble? My ADD kicked in after the first few sentences.

From what I could stand of it:  The writer doesn't like Steven Jones PhD trying to debunk troofer stuff.  The writer thinks cars spontaneously caught fire due to EMP.  The writer has no idea why cars WOULD catch fire from EMP, as opposed to simply becoming inop due to slagged computers, but what the Hell, it must have been EMP.  The writer does not know jack about EMP or nuclear weapons effects. 

[sharkhawk]

Maybe spooked can do a test using some matchbox cars and a firecracker?

[thundley4]

From what I could stand of it:  The writer doesn't like Steven Jones PhD trying to debunk troofer stuff.  The writer thinks cars spontaneously caught fire due to EMP.  The writer has no idea why cars WOULD catch fire from EMP, as opposed to simply becoming inop due to slagged computers, but what the Hell, it must have been EMP.  The writer does not know jack about EMP or nuclear weapons effects. 

An EMP burst associated with a nuclear blast should have knocked out communications in the surrounding area.  I guess all those live feeds on 9-11 were pre-recorded and or staged.

[ScubaGuy]

From what I could stand of it:  The writer doesn't like Steven Jones PhD trying to debunk troofer stuff.  The writer thinks cars spontaneously caught fire due to EMP.  The writer has no idea why cars WOULD catch fire from EMP, as opposed to simply becoming inop due to slagged computers, but what the Hell, it must have been EMP.  The writer does not know jack about EMP or nuclear weapons effects. 

What you're watching is a "Troofer" fight.  

Steven Jones is a troofer that believes the towers were brought down using thermite.
Spooker thinks Bush used nukes to bring them down.

IIRC neither one thinks planes were involved.

 

[DumbAss Tanker]

I probably don't want to know the troofer answer to this, but if you could sneak in and emplace the necessary thermite to do that undisturbed (Not as efficient as high explosives, to be sure, but it would do the job) what is the point of crashing the airplanes?  Or is he one of the particularly silly idiots who think they were holograms?   

[dutch508]

I probably don't want to know the troofer answer to this, but if you could sneak in and emplace the necessary thermite to do that undisturbed (Not as efficient as high explosives, to be sure, but it would do the job) what is the point of crashing the airplanes?  Or is he one of the particularly silly idiots who think they were holograms?   

The troothers are split on:

a) There were no planes
2) The planes were holograms
in conclusion) There were no planes but missiles painted to look like planes.

[Carl]

I probably don't want to know the troofer answer to this, but if you could sneak in and emplace the necessary thermite to do that undisturbed (Not as efficient as high explosives, to be sure, but it would do the job) what is the point of crashing the airplanes?  Or is he one of the particularly silly idiots who think they were holograms?   

Or why use "mini" nukes to start wars in Iraq and Afghanistan but then fight them with conventional weapons.
If controlling all the oil was the goal as they claim we could do that in no time with weaponry like that.

[Carl]

The troothers are split on:

a) There were no planes
2) The planes were holograms
in conclusion) There were no planes but missiles painted to look like planes.

You forgot planes being flown by remote control.

[dutch508]

You forgot planes being flown by remote control.

That's kind of covered by:  in conclusion) missiles...or other remote flying crap...

[Wineslob]

Troofers, I watched it LIVE, those planes sure as shit diden't look like remote controlled planes to me.











If you people hate the country so much that you have to believe lies so many years after the fact, JUST GET THE **** OUT OF IT. PLEASE.

[LC EFA]

Ahh spooky 

Living proof that there is no bottom to the well of human stupidity.

[ScubaGuy]

I probably don't want to know the troofer answer to this, but if you could sneak in and emplace the necessary thermite to do that undisturbed (Not as efficient as high explosives, to be sure, but it would do the job) what is the point of crashing the airplanes?  Or is he one of the particularly silly idiots who think they were holograms?   

The technical aspects of attempting to cut a steel beam with thermite has been discusses on another board and the general consensus is that it could not be done.

Making horizontal cuts just isn't possible since you would require some type of container to keep a large quantity of thermite in contact with the vertical beam to melt it without melting through the container.

Making vertical cuts in an I beam isn't as simple as it sounds either due to the large volume of thermite required to be kept in contact with the beam.

There was some Troofer group that was going to produce a demonstration to show that it could be done, but here we are a few years later and they have not succeeded.

The troofer just think there's some magical device that the DoD has to do it.

[BlueStateSaint]

The technical aspects of attempting to cut a steel beam with thermite has been discusses on another board and the general consensus is that it could not be done.

Making horizontal cuts just isn't possible since you would require some type of container to keep a large quantity of thermite in contact with the vertical beam to melt it without melting through the container.

Making vertical cuts in an I beam isn't as simple as it sounds either due to the large volume of thermite required to be kept in contact with the beam.

There was some Troofer group that was going to produce a demonstration to show that it could be done, but here we are a few years later and they have not succeeded.

The troofer just think there's some magical device that the DoD has to do it.

It was Teh Rove . . .

(SR--could you post that pic of Darth Vader morphing into Rove?)

[Chris_]

It was Teh Rove . . .

(SR--could you post that pic of Darth Vader morphing into Rove?)

Of course.


 

I love spooked911, total whackjob but funny as all get out!
Yeah spooked, Lord Rove used mini-nukes...

[DumbAss Tanker]

The technical aspects of attempting to cut a steel beam with thermite has been discusses on another board and the general consensus is that it could not be done.

Making horizontal cuts just isn't possible since you would require some type of container to keep a large quantity of thermite in contact with the vertical beam to melt it without melting through the container.

Making vertical cuts in an I beam isn't as simple as it sounds either due to the large volume of thermite required to be kept in contact with the beam.

There was some Troofer group that was going to produce a demonstration to show that it could be done, but here we are a few years later and they have not succeeded.

The troofer just think there's some magical device that the DoD has to do it.

Well, as we learned from the actual collapse, a horizontal cut isn't required, simply heating the metal to the point where it softens and causes a failure of structural integrity is sufficient, which could be accomplished with bags of thermite shaped along the lines of tube sand.  But, it would still be much more bulky and less efficient than high explosive, and therefore a deeply stupid method to use to conduct a terrorist attack.  When it was used industrially for field expedient welding back in the day, clay or even dirt was used to dam it against the target long enough to work, though existing concrete flooring in a structure would last long enough to heat the metal to a plastic state.

[Lord Undies]

Look.  I've told y'all and told y'all.  I am NOT going to repeat it again so get it straight RIGHT NOW:

For three months prior to 9/11, the CIA sent agents in dressed as janitors and they installed what looked like those timed air freshener devices on every floor.  They were really little nukes. 

GOT IT??!!

[Doc Savage]

The technical aspects of attempting to cut a steel beam with thermite has been discusses on another board and the general consensus is that it could not be done.

Making horizontal cuts just isn't possible since you would require some type of container to keep a large quantity of thermite in contact with the vertical beam to melt it without melting through the container.

Making vertical cuts in an I beam isn't as simple as it sounds either due to the large volume of thermite required to be kept in contact with the beam.

There was some Troofer group that was going to produce a demonstration to show that it could be done, but here we are a few years later and they have not succeeded.

The troofer just think there's some magical device that the DoD has to do it.

We just need to track down the original building plans and find out what kind of stuff the secret construction guys used on the steel.  I am thinking slow acting acid paint, timing it down to the day for eat thru of a beam might be tough, but I think that the secret govt that flys the black helicopters and laces the contrails with drugs would have no problem with it.

[The Village Idiot]

Look.  I've told y'all and told y'all.  I am NOT going to repeat it again so get it straight RIGHT NOW:

For three months prior to 9/11, the CIA sent agents in dressed as janitors and they installed what looked like those timed air freshener devices on every floor.  They were really little nukes. 

GOT IT??!!

oh please, GHW Bush had those explosives implanted into all the floors during construction, duh