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Offline Ralph Wiggum

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Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« on: June 03, 2009, 01:33:41 PM »
This thread should get interesting, it just started... :popcorn:

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Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
   
I think KO and other DUers are very wrong on this issue.

O’Reilly and others have compared Tiller to Hitler and called him a baby killer. True. O’Reilly and others have gone on multiple tirades against Tiller and his practices. True. However, outside of libel and slander, O’Reilly has the constitutional right to say or write whatever he wants to about another person, no matter how vicious. This does not make Bill O’Reilly a criminal complicit in a man’s murder. This makes him a supreme asshole of course, but no, not a criminal.

I’ve seen enough posts on DU to know that this opinion is not shared by many. So let’s think this logic through:

Let’s say Dick Cheney, George W Bush or Donald Rumsfeld is assassinated tomorrow by some “moonbat” left-leaning extremist. Think how many thousands and thousands of posts have appeared on DU calling these men murderers and war criminals over the past 8 years. How many posts on DU said something to the effect of “there is innocent blood on Bush’s hands!”? Are we all now complicit? Should Skinner be hauled off by the FBI or Secret Service? What about KO? Kos? Uygar? Vedder?? Dixie Chicks??? Should every DUer who ever wrote a disparaging word against those guys get a visit from the Feds? If you think O’Reilly is complicit in murder than surely so are we (at least in my hypothetical example).

Or is it different for O’Reilly because he’s a famous cable personality and his words have greater sway and reach? If that’s the case then exactly what threshold are we talking about? What kind of audience reach does a pundit need before they become an exception to the first amendment? Does blogging count? How many people need to read/watch your opinion before your views are no longer held to the same standard as a layperson’s?

Olbermann is just dead wrong on this issue. His special commentary on the subject brought up advertising as an example of the effectiveness of public persuasion. Are you serious? I’ve had that damn $5 footlong jingle stuck in my head for weeks but haven’t been to Subway in months. I was raised Jewish but don’t keep kosher or attend services as an adult. Hell I’ve even read the bible and listened to countless sermons yet never converted to Christianity. This is an exceptionally weak argument.

Yes, I’m afraid that as an adult we are responsible for our own decisions, regardless of peer pressure, corporate marketing efforts or how we were raised. We all make our own choices and when it comes to the big decisions in life, like oh, whether or not to murder another human being, we stand alone. O’Reilly has no part to play in this. Roeder stood alone.

As a parting shot - if you believe O’Reilly should be held responsible for this murder by either the law or by News Corp than I hope you will back every other case like this and blame Ozzy Osbourne and Judas Priest for those rock-n-roll-induced suicides years ago. I hope you’ll advocate letting off every murderer who claims that they were pressured into it (especially if their persuader was someone on TV). I hope you’ll try and ban all violent video games and movies because clearly, our little peon minds can’t handle all the stimuli. And if you still think I’m wrong, go watch or read A Clockwork Orange and hopefully then you’ll understand my concerns.

We need to stand on the right side of this issue not to protect O’Reilly, but to protect our ability to say and do what we feel and not have it throw back at us in a court of law because some nut took it too far or in the wrong way.

(Now if you have a clip of O’Reilly literally calling for his audience to murder Dr. Tiller, I would be wrong, but he didn’t do that. I've seen all the related clips and I'm sorry, it's just not enough to say he shares the blame for this.)

And away we go....

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Wed Jun-03-09 02:25 PM
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Welcome to DU :hi:

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Wed Jun-03-09 02:28 PM
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3. O'Reilly and much of the right wing are complicit in this murder.
   
They created the environment that bred this cold-blooded doctor killer.
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2009, 01:39:43 PM »
OK Dummies... Using your logic, we can blame the murder of the US Army recruiter in Arkansas on Olberman and you clowns!

After all, fair is fair.
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2009, 01:53:00 PM »
"dem mba" is not long for the Island of the Skins.  Granted he already has about 20X more posts than I ever got to over there.  :-)
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2009, 01:57:26 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on June 03, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
"dem mba" is not long for the Island of the Skins.  Granted he already has about 20X more posts than I ever got to over there.  :-)

It's a great post, because it violates no rules, and is pretty well written.  It just goes completely against the DUmmies.  I'm sure they're wearing out the alert button. :evillaugh:

(No, that's not my mole...I just appreciate a nice effort by someone)
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2009, 02:09:54 PM »
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3. O'Reilly and much of the right wing are complicit in this murder.
   
They created the environment that bred this cold-blooded doctor killer.


How?  By voicing their opinion? What's good for the goose......
 

Damn you DUmmies are teh stoopid.    :hammer:
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 02:31:18 PM »
Ah, the Liberalmuse primitive whom I hate only slightly less than HighFructosePronSyrup weighed in with the usual genius up there.  Then, someone says

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16. There's also the audience question
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 03:09:27 PM »
Too sane and reasoned for the DUmp...not allowed.
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 03:45:01 PM »
That's a funny DU thread.  It weaves in an out of insanity.  It splashes in hypocrisy.  It oozes dishonesty and pretzel logic.  It's too good to miss.

Speaking truth to DUmmies makes for hilarious entertainment!
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 07:52:32 PM »
a masters-class in DUmp moling -- Bravo!!!
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 07:55:56 PM »
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Should every DUer who ever wrote a disparaging word against those guys get a visit from the Feds?
Yes.

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Olbermann is just dead wrong on this issue.
Good to hear Olbermann's record of 0 - Everything Else will go unchallenged.

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Yes, I’m afraid that as an adult we are responsible for our own decisions.
Them's fightin' words at the DUmp.

Fun thread. :evillaugh:
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2009, 04:54:26 PM »
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KittyWampus  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jun-03-09 04:59 PM
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73. Is there an anti-war channel on tv? Is that channel on in multiple work places and waiting rooms?
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Do we obsess about stopping the war by ANY MEANS NECESSARY? And then publish Bush and Cheney's home address and show photos of them with sniper targets over them?

Did we actively call for their murder?


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 paulsby (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-03-09 05:35 PM
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 i'm not aware that oreilly used the term "by any means necessary".

but malcolm X did. does that make malcolm X guilty in your eyes.

nor did oreilly publish tiller's home address and put sniper targets over it.

nor did he actively call for tiller's murder.

to whom are you referring then>
 
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2009, 05:05:30 PM »
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L. Coyote  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-03-09 03:21 PM
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49. You are wrong. You are characterizing others falsely.
 Point to where KO or anyone on DU said "Complicit in Tiller’s Murder" as you claim?

You are twisting this around, using O'Pie-lly-esque logic.
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 Rebubula (638 posts)      Wed Jun-03-09 05:37 PM
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92. Well...
 ...several in this thread alone have said he is complicit.

Just saying....
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 L. Coyote  (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-03-09 03:25 PM
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51. Welcome to DU and welcome to IGNORE.

I know the post counts mean they didn't actually happen in this order, but this is of those things that are "fake but accurate."  :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2009, 03:15:55 AM »
I think we should take a page from the DUmmies playbook.

If you are against killing abortion doctor's then you shouldn't kill one.  But, you shouldn't judge someone who is facing the hard, wrenching decision of whether or not to kill an abortion doctor.  After all, you can't force your moral judgement onto others that may have had other experiences.

(Hat tip to Ann Coulter.)
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Re: Bill O’Reilly is NOT Complicit in Tiller’s Murder
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2009, 04:43:49 PM »
Quote from: Vagabond on June 05, 2009, 03:15:55 AM
I think we should take a page from the DUmmies playbook.

If you are against killing abortion doctor's then you shouldn't kill one.  But, you shouldn't judge someone who is facing the hard, wrenching decision of whether or not to kill an abortion doctor.  After all, you can't force your moral judgement onto others that may have had other experiences.

(Hat tip to Ann Coulter.)
Ann nailed it with that column, didn't she?   :cheersmate:
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