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primitives wax autobiographical
« on: June 02, 2009, 03:23:26 AM »
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Oh my.

I suspect the primitives are feeding us some stretches.

First, the stuttering primitive:

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ccharles000  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-01-09 10:12 PM
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Did anyone else grow up in an abusive home? 

From the day I was born until I was about 14 Me my mom and sister lived with my dad. I don't really remember him hitting her but I do remember him doing crack,pot and drinking a lot I know now that he did meth but I never saw him. I don't think he ever hit me or my sister but he still abused us.

When I was 7 I remember coming out of the shower and he told me I was not clean enough so I had to take three more he did this every day for over a year. I was a little chubby and he told me I was fat I don't remember him doing anything like that to my sister.

About six years ago my mom left him and he now lives in South Carolina but comes to visit every year and he bugs me about getting a girlfriend and that if any of his kids went queer he would kill them(my half sister did date a black guy a few years back and my dad tried to shoot him).

PS. I am gay if you did not know.

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Dappleganger  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 10:25 PM
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7. Yes.

It's very complicated, but yes there was several kinds of abuse going on. My sister and I survived (we are 45 and 43 now) and it has been a rough road. We have both been through a lot of counseling and we've had to figure out how to not let it get the best of us.

What is so hard right now is having to take care of and make decisions for this father who was abusive. It's tough separating those personal issues at times.

I wish I could give you a big hug...please keep up the writing and your growing social conscience! You are a breath of fresh air on this board.

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cboy4  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-01-09 10:26 PM
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8. Isn't this the guy that wanted to take you to a strip club and go look at titties for your birthday?

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ccharles000  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-01-09 10:30 PM
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11. yes

The Rita Hayworth primitive, the "Tambourine LaBamba" primitive, shows up, but makes a pretty boring and shallow comment, not worth copying-and-pasting.

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liberalmuse  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-01-09 10:33 PM
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14. That's so messed up. I'm sorry.

No child growing up should have to deal with that, or be made to feel unclean, or that there's anything wrong with being who they are sexually. It sounds like he's not a person one would want in their life, though understand how hard it is to quit a parent.

My mom was abusive. She could only beat the crap out of us for so long, since we quickly outgrew her (she's about 5 feet tall, LOL), but she still did pretty well with the mental abuse, and scared the crap out of us because she saw 'things' at night, so we were scared of the dark well into adulthood. Religion mixed with crazy is not a good combination.

Anyone looking at her life would assume she was probably a crack addict, but the truth is, she's taken one too many hits off the Jesus bong. Nothing like your abuse, though. She's manageable and although I can only take her in small doses, she's dying of cancer and all that shit is pretty much meaningless now.

I love her, and see where she meant well. She wasn't mean, or at least she didn't really mean to be cruel, she was just crazy, and was abused as a child herself.

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OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 10:35 PM
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15. Define abusive

I think most people live ****ed up lives but you have to put it in perspective.

My parents split when I was eight. My mother ended up in a mental institution reminiscent of "one flew over the Cooko's nest and was subjected to shock treatment. I got farmed out to relatives who didn't want me. Very hard to take when you are eight.

Long story short, Yeah, I think my life sucked but... compared to what? I didn't grow up in Afghanistan. I didn't grow up in Dar fur. I always had enough to eat, maybe not what I wanted to eat but always enough. I was sexually abused but I wasn't gang raped so I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Yeah, life sucks, but if your idea of "Life sucks" is based on the perspective of most white folk in the U.S.of A., it doesn't really suck compared to life else ware.

I think you need to get over yourself and accept that things could be a **** of a lot worse than anything we pampered Americans have ever experienced.

Does this make it right? **** no! It is, however, the way life really is. And I don't care what the Christians tell you. By the way, Heaven is a fantasy.

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ohheckyeah  (511 posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 10:50 PM
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18. That was harsh and in my opinion unnecessary. Just because people are suffering elsewhere doesn't make his any less of a thing.

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LanternWaste (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 11:11 PM
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22. Knowng that someone in Darfur is getting raped....

Maybe it is all a matter of perspective... but precisely how does that lessen the pain we ourselves go though? Precisely how does that minimize the abuses we suffer?

What is the precise and relevant threshold passed in which we may morally and rightfully complain about the degradations we suffer? On what objective is that threshold based?

Or maybe the abuses, beating and degradations we suffer become internalized to the point in which we actually deny the severity of them, accept them as part of life, deride those who suffer them too though a sense of projection, and finally wind up continuing the cycle. Just a thought-- as we are none of us so wise as to minimize the pain of others...

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handmade34  (483 posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 11:47 PM
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25. perspective?

the perspective is that some people work to overcome the trama, some people become hardened, some cynical. Perspective can make you a more caring, loving person or can make you cold and/or negative. The idea is to help each other through life in this '****ed up' world... and it wouldn't suck so much though if you had a different 'perspective'

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Skittles  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-02-09 03:58 AM
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29. here's some perspective

a desperately poor child born to loving parents in Afghanistan can still be richer than an abused "pampered" kid in America - like you. Got that???

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LanternWaste (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 11:04 PM
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20. Father was an ex-con and heroin addict...

Father was an ex-con and heroin addict. Physically abusive until he lost his legs, then emotionally abusive. He was a methadone addict after he was released until he passed.

He had me mentally and emotionally cowed until just a year prior to his passing-- I went over to parents house for Thanksgiving dinner and he and I got into a bit of a fight (I instigated it-- was feeling chesty and proud), knowing full well what would happen). As he was about to hit me, I grabbed his arm, looked him in the eye, and stated "You may hit me this one last time, but know this-- before God and your family, it WILL be the last time you EVER hit me-- after this, I will ignore your wheelchair, ignore that you do not have any legs, and ignore everything you've ever told me... except to stand up for myself."

He was an unpleasant person to be around. Lots of them in the world these days...

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MadHound (1000+ posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 11:07 PM
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21. Yeah, I had a bipolar, abusive father

He was a great dad until I was about nine, and then things started to go horribly wrong. I think that it was the stress of trying to climb to the top in a new city, trying to get his Phd, who knows what all. But that's about the age I was when he started to go off the deep end. His depressive state was OK to deal with, but in his manic phase, he was hell on wheels.

I took the brunt of his abuse, I think because he found me to be different and thus threatening. But I also interposed myself between him and my mom and sister, taking those lumps to when I got the chance.

Too many weird stories to tell, too many scars, but let me give you some advice. Give yourself some space between yourself and your father, for a long time if necessary, and give the situation some time. When I moved out of the house after high school, I quickly put my father out of my life for a number of years. Didn't see him, didn't talk to him, and frankly my mindset was such that the sooner he was dead, the happier I would be.

This lasted for about seven years, and then my dad had his first heart attack. It's amazing what that first touch of mortality can do to a person. It straightened my father right out. He cleaned up his life, he went on meds to control his bipolar, and most of all he both reached out and apologized to me for his actions.

We had ten more great years together before he left this earth. I cried when he died, a miracle considering at one time I was ready to dance/piss on his grave. I gained so much in those last ten years.

I'm not saying that your situation will end up with such a happy ending, I'm not that naive. But you need to get away from this man, for your own safety and for your own mental health. My dad drove me crazy for a couple of years(literally), don't let that happen to you. Establishing your own space and place (if I remember right you're young, 19-20) to carve out your life is vital, do that. Cut your dad out of your life for awhile, let him stew in his own juices, and see what happens.

Yes, leave a link there for you to reach him, or for him to reach you, but still, cut him out and go on with your own life. That will force him to have some respect. And if he's as drugged out as you say, he's going to be getting that touch of mortality here pretty damn quick, and like I said, that can change the whole dynamic.

Good luck, don't let the bastard drive you crazy too, I've been there, done that, it's not fun.

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handmade34  (483 posts)      Mon Jun-01-09 11:30 PM
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24. Yes

you are not alone. It is pretty difficult to reconcile the disconnect of an abusive parent. It took me until I was in my late thirties. My brother finally refused to visit or speak to my mother and hasn't for years. I left home the night of my HS graduation and moved out of the state as soon as I could. You are ok! take care of yourself.

Uh-oh.  Doug's ex-wife:

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EFerrari  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jun-01-09 11:52 PM
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26. You sound very clear, ccharles000.

I dunno.  While watching this bonfire, I have the sensation of a whole lot of rubber bands stretching.
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Re: primitives wax autobiographical
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 03:44:41 AM »
get over it people. life is too short to dwell on stuff.

thats just my advice.

if your screw is loose , find a powerdriver and ram through your head.

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Re: primitives wax autobiographical
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 04:17:35 AM »
get over it people. life is too short to dwell on stuff.

thats just my advice.

if your screw is loose , find a powerdriver and ram through your head.

I could be wrong, and someone correct me if I am, but these tales sound very much like the details are stretched, as the primitives desperately try to avoid responsibility for being the way they are, such losers, blaming it on someone else.

We are all affected by our pasts, and can't change that.

And some of those people, some of those experiences, can indeed be crippling.

But there comes a time when one has to stop blaming others.

That after all is life; we are supposed to evolve, grow, and flourish, not stagnate.

I've oftentimes been surprised by those who allege my own parents were cold, distant, and aloof, when in fact they were damned good parents, the best possible parents I could've ever had, myself.

They were of course old by the time my younger brother and I were around--I have no memory of my mother without grey hair--and perhaps worn out, exhausted, tired, of the exertions required on raising the older, more energetic, more rumbunctious, more stubborn, more recalcitrant, siblings.

I think I was about four years old--it was before kindergarten--when I sensed that the parents were involved in a mission greater than myself, that of curing the sick and ameliorating sufferings of the afflicted.

Well, myself not being sick or afflicted, and being a younger child, I had no time had this nonsensical idea that I was the center of the universe, it was no big deal.

My parents put food on the table, a roof over the head, clothes on the back, taught one good manners so one could get along in society, and kept one safe.  There cannot possibly be Love greater than this, Love in action, Love in deed.

The primitives, lo these many decades later, are still seeking "acceptance" from their parents, many of those parents long gone from this time and place. 

Knowing the ways primitives are, that's a pretty damned big order, almost superhuman, practically impossible.  Parents cannot do the job of God.

If one seeks acceptance, Love, understanding, forgiveness for not being perfect, indulgence, compassion, well, that's God's job to give that.  And it's a job God is always willing to do, able to do, if one merely asks God to do it.

And herein lies the nub of the primitives' dilemma; like fish rejecting the water that surrounds them, the primitives reject the Power, the Majesty, the Glory, of God.

It should be no wonder the primitives are such wretched, miserable people, destined to be bitter and unhappy to the end of their days in this time and place.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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Re: primitives wax autobiographical
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 04:22:23 AM »
I think most have created "abuse"  in their minds or at the least redefined it so they can say it applies to them.
Fits in with their victimized and oppresses mentality.


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Re: primitives wax autobiographical
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 04:38:22 AM »
I think most have created "abuse"  in their minds or at the least redefined it so they can say it applies to them.

Fits in with their victimized and oppresses mentality.

Yeah, examples of "stretchies."

There may be little grains of truth in the people and experiences described, but the primitives inflate them into beach balls.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 08:44:50 AM »
Knowing the ways primitives are, that's a pretty damned big order, almost superhuman, practically impossible.  Parents cannot do the job of God.

If one seeks acceptance, Love, understanding, forgiveness for not being perfect, indulgence, compassion, well, that's God's job to give that.  And it's a job God is always willing to do, able to do, if one merely asks God to do it.

And herein lies the nub of the primitives' dilemma; like fish rejecting the water that surrounds them, the primitives reject the Power, the Majesty, the Glory, of God.


In a way its a good thing for parents to see themselves as appointed by God to do the job of raising one of Gods creations