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Offline Lanie

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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #100 on: June 17, 2009, 06:49:10 AM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on June 16, 2009, 11:35:07 PM
 
You may humbly thank God and your local, "muslim torturing" military personnel for that inesteemable blessing.

Perhaps you ought to check YOUR history, ma'am.  For the record, the Muslims were proselytizing on the gates of Vienna (that's Austria - in the middle of EUROPE - in case you're suffering from geography as well as history deficiencies due to a public skool ejimacation (like mine)) as recently as 1683 with their peaceful, enlightened message of "bow to our God, and live - as slaves - to see another sunrise, or die".  For historical perspective, that's about the same time that the first members of the Defiant family were landing on the blessed shores of New Jersey.  A mite more recent than 700 years ago.  Then we can go on to the Muslim's case of the muslim genocide of Armenian christians, as recently as the early 1900s, and carried on with renewed gusto under the cover of the First World War - which, in case your public school didn't cover because stoking your self esteem took up all available lesson time that day, ended in 1918.  Just a little more recent than 700 years ago, Lanie. 

Before you start your outboard motor impression with your "but...but...but...", understand that muslims who define "jihad" as anything other than the systematic conquest and forcible conversion of all the world to slaves under the boot heels of Allah - no matter how long it takes - are either lying to you (an infidel: perfectly acceptable under Kuranic code), or exceptionally rare and naive as to what the goals and objectives of their "religion of peace" truely teaches.

I don't mean to be ugly, but I think it's time to give evidence (as in data of statistics and so forth) about Muslims who actually think violence is the answer to stuff. I will admit that the Muslim countries tend to be violent, but ALL theocracies across time have been violent. Most Muslims here and in other free countries are not violent. And I don't want to hear "This is a conservative board" blah blah blah. There are conservative Muslims (in fact, I'd view most fundamentalist Muslims as socially conservative even if they do take things a lot further than most fundamentalist Christians) and I'd rather not think of Muslim hating/bashing as a conservative thing. So I want to see some actual data instead of just stereotypes.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #101 on: June 17, 2009, 07:23:40 AM »
Quote from: MrsSmith on June 16, 2009, 07:11:44 PM
I repeat...Quoting Deutronomy as though it contained commands for Christians to be violent is an ignorant-leftist trick.  Not one word you typed changes that fact. No one is ashamed of the Old Testament, but we, as Christians, are not commanded to violence by the Old Testament laws.   ::)

But everyone agrees on that point.  Why is it worth repeating?

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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #102 on: June 17, 2009, 07:48:53 AM »
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I'm a current Christian... I haven't met a Muslim yet who actually supported terrorism.

I have.  Mainly they were face down on the ground and zip tied or in a cell at Abu Ghraib.  These poor misunderstood people you feel sympathy for would as soon slit your throat as to look at you.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2009, 08:08:06 AM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on June 17, 2009, 07:48:53 AM
I have.  Mainly they were face down on the ground and zip tied or in a cell at Abu Ghraib.  These poor misunderstood people you feel sympathy for would as soon slit your throat as to look at you.

Now we have a discussion people.

So, Tx, are you saying that your experiences are superior to Lanie's or vice versa?  Who has the monopoly on experience, and can an experience be indicative or utilized as the source of truthful assertions about entire groups of people?
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #104 on: June 17, 2009, 08:18:35 AM »
Oh great, Salaam is back to tell us how great the wonderful and peaceful religion of Islam is.  :whatever:

Hey Salaam, care to tell us about any free Islamic countries?
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #105 on: June 17, 2009, 08:29:56 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 08:08:06 AM
So, Tx, are you saying that your experiences are superior to Lanie's or vice versa?  Who has the monopoly on experience, and can an experience be indicative or utilized as the source of truthful assertions about entire groups of people?

Yes my experience with peacaful Muslims as well as the violent terrorist supporting ones is far greater than dear little Bridgets.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #106 on: June 17, 2009, 09:15:17 AM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on June 17, 2009, 08:29:56 AM
Yes my experience with peacaful Muslims as well as the violent terrorist supporting ones is far greater than dear little Bridgets.

Yes, I am supposing mine are as well.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #107 on: June 17, 2009, 09:21:34 AM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 16, 2009, 10:37:00 AM
So basically sam and others, the best source for knowledge about Islam should come from a non-Muslim Robert Spencer who just happens to support your beliefs about a religion none of you have any experience practicing?  I guess it makes a hell of a lot of sense to study religion from the perspective of people who never practiced it, maybe it's just me but that makes about as much sense as having sex to understand virginity.


No, the best source of knowledge about Islam is in the Qu'ran and the Hadith. Robert Spencer quotes both copiously, then analyzes fairly what he quotes. And you know it.

Actually, a non-Muslim can certainly be an expert on Islam, in exactly the same way an oncologist can understand cancer, without having cancer himself.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #108 on: June 17, 2009, 10:08:38 AM »
TxRadioGuy, let's belay the name-calling. Salaam is not a "troll". He did go on vacation last week and probably didn't have much time or access for the internet. Besides, that, carry on....

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« Reply #109 on: June 17, 2009, 10:24:29 AM »
Nice, an argument about a religion that is most likely is based on someone who never existed.


Muslims want to subjugate everyone. Denying this is like Gays saying "but the Bible only says homosexuality is bad in ONE place!!!!"
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #110 on: June 17, 2009, 10:54:49 AM »
Quote from: Sam Adams on June 17, 2009, 09:21:34 AM
No, the best source of knowledge about Islam is in the Qu'ran and the Hadith.

Correct. but without Tafsir like Exegesis of the Bible, anyone could come up with any conclusions they want.

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Robert Spencer quotes both copiously, then analyzes fairly what he quotes. And you know it.

Oh he quotes them alright, but fairly?  Not according to the myriad of Islamic scholars both Muslim and Non-Muslim who are actual experts in Islamic Studies.  It's not hard to find the volumes on the net against his ramblings and piss poor scholarship by actual scholars in Islamic Studies, most of which aren't even Muslim!  The only ones supporting Spencer represent one demographic.....

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Actually, a non-Muslim can certainly be an expert on Islam, in exactly the same way an oncologist can understand cancer, without having cancer himself.

True.  There are many non-Muslim scholars of Islam that will state almost verbatim many of the things I state.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #111 on: June 17, 2009, 10:56:22 AM »
Quote from: Wineslob on June 17, 2009, 10:24:29 AM
Nice, an argument about a religion that is most likely is based on someone who never existed.

Your not one of those atheists against Christianity are you? :lmao:

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Muslims want to subjugate everyone. Denying this is like Gays saying "but the Bible only says homosexuality is bad in ONE place!!!!"

Prove it!
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #112 on: June 17, 2009, 10:57:02 AM »
I look at Muslims in 3 ways, the silent ones, the violent ones, and the salesmen. You're coming off like a salesmen, Salaam.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #113 on: June 17, 2009, 03:54:29 PM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 10:56:22 AM

Prove it!


Honor killings

Denying women the right to go to school and get an education

Intolerance of any or even the slightest criticism of Mohammed or Islam

Forcing religion into every aspect of everyday life from politics to traffic laws and the judicial system in general to what you can and can't buy at the market.

Shall I continue?
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #114 on: June 17, 2009, 03:55:47 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 17, 2009, 10:57:02 AM
You're coming off like a salesmen, Salaam.

He's very heavily focused on Dawa.
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #115 on: June 17, 2009, 04:00:40 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on June 17, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
Honor killings

Denying women the right to go to school and get an education

Intolerance of any or even the slightest criticism of Mohammed or Islam

Forcing religion into every aspect of everyday life from politics to traffic laws and the judicial system in general to what you can and can't buy at the market.

Shall I continue?

Shit, just look at the requirements to enter Saudi Arabia, for starters.

Oh, and Salaam, I wanted to get a room at the Mecca Hilton next month.  Think I could reserve it in your name?  Seems they have a little problem with lil 'ol me staying there.
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« Reply #116 on: June 17, 2009, 04:10:00 PM »
Quote from: Salaam on June 17, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
Your not one of those atheists against Christianity are you? :lmao:

Prove it!


Show me where Mohammed was a living person, Jesus was chronicled in Roman times.


Easy enough:

Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”
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Re: Army Recruiters Shot
« Reply #117 on: June 17, 2009, 05:52:58 PM »
Quote from: Lanie on June 16, 2009, 11:05:13 PM
I'm a current Christian. I'm a forever Christian. I'm just making a point about scriptures. I think a lot more Muslims than realized do follow the good in the Koran. I haven't met a Muslim yet who actually supported terrorism.

And I think you need to check your history some. Yes, Christianity has spread through service and other missionary work. However, war has also been a tool for spreading it. I'm sure you've heard of the Crussades and the fall of the Aztec culture. (Yes, I realize the Crussades were a response to the Muslims taking over particular countries, but it happened 700 years before, so give me a break. Not to mention Jews died in this too. What did they do to deserve it?). And a side fun fact is that there was a time when an entire country in Europe (mostly Britain I think) had to change their denomination because the new King or Queen believed a certain way.
Everyone knows about the periods when the church was run by politicians.   ::)  In fact, that is ALL most people know.  However, as "The Church" is defined as: "all those who have accepted Christ as Savior," it is simply impossible to grow The Church through war or conquest.  There is no way to force someone to become a Christian...it MUST be done willingly.  Therefore, 100% of the "History of Christianity" taught in today's educational system is a lie.  What they teach is the result of letting politicians take over your religion...exactly the way today's government is trying to take it over.  Our founding fathers worked very hard to limit government's role in the church for just that reason...and our leftists morons are knocking themselves out breaking down that wall to create more and more government rule of the church.   :thatsright:

On the other hand, Muslims have no requirement to accept the Holy Spirit in order to become Muslim.  They can truly spread their religion through war, terror, and murder.   
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« Reply #118 on: June 17, 2009, 05:56:31 PM »
Just wanted to  :fuelfire:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/06/islamic_toleran.html#comments

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« Reply #119 on: June 17, 2009, 06:59:14 PM »
Robert Spencer, for your edification:


http://www.jihadwatch.org/spencer/
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« Reply #120 on: June 17, 2009, 08:09:18 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on June 17, 2009, 07:48:53 AM
I have.  Mainly they were face down on the ground and zip tied or in a cell at Abu Ghraib.  These poor misunderstood people you feel sympathy for would as soon slit your throat as to look at you.

I don't feel sorry for *those* Muslims. You assume too much.
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« Reply #121 on: June 17, 2009, 08:13:40 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on June 17, 2009, 08:29:56 AM
Yes my experience with peacaful Muslims as well as the violent terrorist supporting ones is far greater than dear little Bridgets.

You realize Salaam doesn't know who Bridget is.

I recognize that your experience is superior to mine. As it turns out, the original post you quoted was not one speaking to you. And as it turns out, you're talking about peaceful Muslims. I wonder why you'd speak of something weird like that.
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« Reply #122 on: June 17, 2009, 08:14:51 PM »
Quote from: Lanie on June 17, 2009, 08:09:18 PM
I don't feel sorry for *those* Muslims. You assume too much.

Actually you don't clarify enough.
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« Reply #123 on: June 17, 2009, 08:18:31 PM »
Quote from: TxRadioguy on June 17, 2009, 03:54:29 PM
Honor killings

Denying women the right to go to school and get an education

Intolerance of any or even the slightest criticism of Mohammed or Islam

Forcing religion into every aspect of everyday life from politics to traffic laws and the judicial system in general to what you can and can't buy at the market.

Shall I continue?

Can you prove that this represents the majority of Muslims?

Also, can you explain why this mostly happens in Theocracies? Why is it that hardly any Muslims here are into this stuff? Oh, and why is it that before Christians stopped having theocracies that a lot of them had similar mentalities?

Theocratic Christian: Freedom of Religion! Our religion that is! Burn that witch!

Accused: I'm not a witch.

Theocratic Christian: Of course you are. You're a woman and you're doing things that can't be explained.

Once Islamic countries give up on theocracies, I think there will be a lot of "enlightenment."

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« Reply #124 on: June 17, 2009, 08:27:23 PM »
So Muslims are only 500 years behind the rest of the world?
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