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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2009, 08:34:01 PM »
Quote from: GoldieAZ on May 31, 2009, 08:06:38 PM
I doubt anyone is going to want to 'take his place' he has been shot before (info at link).

I would rather he not have been made a martyr to the Pro Abortion group.

Being Pro Life, to me, means every life. I would have rather seen his practice defeated legally.

They have taken someone into custody:

(sorry Chris for my first being sloppy)
Yes, it would have been better to shut him down legally, because it would then apply to other clinics.  As is, the rabid left has been handed a reason to do further damage to Christian free speech, and to further restrict those that attempt to legally and non-violently save the lives of children.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2009, 09:13:01 PM »
Well, now, I'm really surprised.

This isn't even a headliner on Drudge.

Given the way abortion enthusiasts direct the media, I thought it would be great big bloody headlines, the blinking siren, all that.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2009, 10:35:19 PM »
Ain't KARMA a royal b*tch?

In post-war Germany, people like him were tried for crimes against humanity, then either sentenced to life or HUNG.

Ain't no way in hell I'll shed a tear at his death, because in my book he had it coming to him.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2009, 11:50:36 PM »
Quote from: Bluesuiter-Retired on May 31, 2009, 10:35:19 PM
Ain't KARMA a royal b*tch?

In post-war Germany, people like him were tried for crimes against humanity, then either sentenced to life or HUNG.

Ain't no way in hell I'll shed a tear at his death, because in my book he had it coming to him.


I know how ya feel. What goes around comes around. I believe he has been operating on borrowed time.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2009, 12:01:21 AM »
And another person dies for the lie that is "choice".  Tiller had as much choice in his own death as the children he sent to eternity without their chance at life.  But the men and women that support "choice" will probably miss the irony.

May God bless his family, but I have a feeling He may not be so kind to Tiller himself.

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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2009, 12:05:23 AM »
Atty. Gen. Eric Holder is deploying US Marshalls as added security to prevent "copycat" murders from happening. 

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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2009, 06:03:14 AM »
Quote from: Doc Savage on May 31, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
according to the local news, the person that pulled the trigger http://www.kake.com/news is know for violent protest.  Nothing was done today except killing a man in the lobby of a church.  Like it or not, what Dr. Tiller was doing was legal (don't quibble over the existing law suites that will no doubt be dropped now).  The Wichita Eagle has some stories up already about it and you can also look at KSN (channel 3 here). 

Figure that it will just be a few weeks before another MD fill the void.  What church do you suggest that MD be shot in?
Read up on this ****head! He's had this coming for years! He performed this procedure very arrogantly and smugly. The fact that he was in a house of God should be the repugnant thing here! Not the fact that the "Adolf Hitler of the abortion movement got his just desserts! May he burn in hell!
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2009, 06:16:13 AM »
I've seen many Tiller interviews over the years - what a self-righteous, evil moonbat he was. I think he knew it would end this way, at least now he's out of his own self-inflicted misery - on earth, that is. I expected the left will continue to try to milk this "tragedy" as much as they can, but he'll never be able to come off as a sympathetic victim. They should just look at the killer as performing a very late-term, non-pba abortion.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2009, 06:38:32 AM »
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs on June 01, 2009, 06:03:14 AM
Read up on this ****head! He's had this coming for years! He performed this procedure very arrogantly and smugly. The fact that he was in a house of God should be the repugnant thing here! Not the fact that the "Adolf Hitler of the abortion movement got his just desserts! May he burn in hell!

Outstanding reply.  Knowing the wichita community, ( I live here), it is funny that many of the physicians that were publicly against Dr. Tiller had no problem referring patients to him.  Same with the Catholic Hospital in town.  The point is that a person was shot in a church.  The point is that the person that did the shooting is going to be found to be associated with a religious group (just my opinion).  If you adhear to religious principals, we do not judge, it is god that judges our behavior, not mortals.  How do you reconcile killing a person (who is a child of god), in a house of god by claiming you are doing gods work? 

Abortion is never going to be made illegal again.  There may be limits, but never again will it be illegal.  Actions like what happened yesterday set all of us that wish to limit abortions back 30 steps. 
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2009, 06:59:40 AM »
Quote from: Doc Savage on June 01, 2009, 06:38:32 AM
Outstanding reply.  Knowing the wichita community, ( I live here), it is funny that many of the physicians that were publicly against Dr. Tiller had no problem referring patients to him.  Same with the Catholic Hospital in town.  The point is that a person was shot in a church.  The point is that the person that did the shooting is going to be found to be associated with a religious group (just my opinion).  If you adhear to religious principals, we do not judge, it is god that judges our behavior, not mortals.  How do you reconcile killing a person (who is a child of god), in a house of god by claiming you are doing gods work? 

Abortion is never going to be made illegal again.  There may be limits, but never again will it be illegal.  Actions like what happened yesterday set all of us that wish to limit abortions back 30 steps. 
If a Catholic hospital refferred patients to that piece of shit,that hospital should have it's funding pulled by The RCC! As for Tiller being in church...Would this happen to be one of those liberal unitarian churches in which same sex marriages take place? Btw! No judgement here! just celebration! An evil person has been taken off of this earth.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2009, 07:15:33 AM »
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs on June 01, 2009, 06:59:40 AM
If a Catholic hospital refferred patients to that piece of shit,that hospital should have it's funding pulled by The RCC! As for Tiller being in church...Would this happen to be one of those liberal unitarian churches in which same sex marriages take place? Btw! No judgement here! just celebration! An evil person has been taken off of this earth.

Nope, it's one of the ELCA Lutheran church--ie the most liberal branch of the Lutheran church. I can understand a church not turning away a person from worship--the hope is that they will seek redemption at some point, but as someone who is a lifelong Lutheran, how someone can be granted membership and represent the church as an usher ie the first face that someone sees at the door or is directed to accept the Lord's supper is beyond me. It's why I refuse to attend an ELCA church. They have sold the faith out for many years now. It's shameful, but even many Christians will miss the shame in it and Tiller, who obviously had no conscience anyway, didn't even have the kind of ethics that would at least restrain him from holding this kind of position knowing he had no intention to make good(and probably even didn't seek) God's forgiveness for the abortions he performed. This is where the church, imo, has an obligation to inform the person they can't serve a leadership or organizational role as long as that continues. Shameful, really, shameful.


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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2009, 07:20:32 AM »
Quote from: Happy Fun Ball on May 31, 2009, 08:03:11 PM
It would be a lot more interesting if Fred Phelps and his minions showed up.

Apparently, they did.  And while I cannot mourn Dr. Tiller's passing, neither can I condone the actions of those who caused it.  We are not to judge him--only God can do that.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2009, 07:21:47 AM »
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How do you reconcile killing a person (who is a child of god), in a house of god by claiming you are doing gods work? 
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2009, 07:24:29 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 01, 2009, 07:20:32 AM
Apparently, they did.  And while I cannot mourn Dr. Tiller's passing, neither can I condone the actions of those who caused it.  We are not to judge him--only God can do that.

But the shooter arranged the meeting.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2009, 07:27:27 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 01, 2009, 07:20:32 AM
Apparently, they did.  And while I cannot mourn Dr. Tiller's passing, neither can I condone the actions of those who caused it.  We are not to judge him--only God can do that.

Yeah, pretty much how I feel.  We'll let the "other" side do the name calling when they're happy one of "ours" is murdered?!
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2009, 07:30:16 AM »
Quote from: jtyangel on June 01, 2009, 07:15:33 AM
Nope, it's one of the ELCA Lutheran church--ie the most liberal branch of the Lutheran church. I can understand a church not turning away a person from worship--the hope is that they will seek redemption at some point, but as someone who is a lifelong Lutheran, how someone can be granted membership and represent the church as an usher ie the first face that someone sees at the door or is directed to accept the Lord's supper is beyond me. It's why I refuse to attend an ELCA church. They have sold the faith out for many years now. It's shameful, but even many Christians will miss the shame in it and Tiller, who obviously had no conscience anyway, didn't even have the kind of ethics that would at least restrain him from holding this kind of position knowing he had no intention to make good(and probably even didn't seek) God's forgiveness for the abortions he performed. This is where the church, imo, has an obligation to inform the person they can't serve a leadership or organizational role as long as that continues. Shameful, really, shameful.


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I left my old ELCA church since it started to resemble the DNC more than the ELCA (too much gay rights, abortion's not so bad, etc., while condemning those that worked to pull their own weight as being too materialistic and not caring enough)
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2009, 07:37:34 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 01, 2009, 07:20:32 AM
Apparently, they did.  And while I cannot mourn Dr. Tiller's passing, neither can I condone the actions of those who caused it.  We are not to judge him--only God can do that.


If more people had 'judged' Mengele or Hitler, imagine how many lives would have been spared. Evil is evil is evil. Hard to feel sad when it is defeated in some small way. The kindest thing a Christian can do now for Tiller is to hope he made peace in that second when he knew the inevitable was coming.

I say the above wrestling with the same Christian compassion expressed here, but I keep getting back to what happens when good people refuse to take a stand. I simply can not in good conscience put this man who took Tiller's life in the same league with other murderers. Yes, he is subject to the laws of our land and will have to serve time for this...consequences I'm sure he was well aware of.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2009, 07:41:48 AM »
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Abortion is never going to be made illegal again.  There may be limits, but never again will it be illegal.  Actions like what happened yesterday set all of us that wish to limit abortions back 30 steps.  
Unfortuantely Doc I think that started on january 20th 2009!
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« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2009, 07:44:50 AM »
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If more people had 'judged' Mengele or Hitler, imagine how many lives would have been spared. Evil is evil is evil. Hard to feel sad when it is defeated in some small way.
Yes! "Doctor" George Tiller will never take another human life!
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2009, 07:47:31 AM »
Quote from: Doc Savage on May 31, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
according to the local news, the person that pulled the trigger http://www.kake.com/news is know for violent protest.  Nothing was done today except killing a man in the lobby of a church.  Like it or not, what Dr. Tiller was doing was legal (don't quibble over the existing law suites that will no doubt be dropped now).  The Wichita Eagle has some stories up already about it and you can also look at KSN (channel 3 here). 

Figure that it will just be a few weeks before another MD fill the void.  What church do you suggest that MD be shot in?
Just because you "can" do something,doesn't mean you should!
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2009, 07:50:42 AM »
Quote from: jtyangel on June 01, 2009, 07:37:34 AM

If more people had 'judged' Mengele or Hitler, imagine how many lives would have been spared. Evil is evil is evil. Hard to feel sad when it is defeated in some small way. The kindest thing a Christian can do now for Tiller is to hope he made peace in that second when he knew the inevitable was coming.

The good people of Kansas SHOULD have done something about him.  'Course, come to think of it, I guess one did?!  I'm just saying I'd rather
see him out of business/in jail, then murdered.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2009, 08:03:04 AM »
Quote from: StantheTaxMan on June 01, 2009, 07:50:42 AM
The good people of Kansas SHOULD have done something about him.  'Course, come to think of it, I guess one did?!  I'm just saying I'd rather
see him out of business/in jail, then murdered.

I think that goes without saying. What I wonder though, and this is just something I toy with anyway in good conscience when thinking of ethics and such, is when does one say when? When do we say enough is enough? Even with liberals who make no bones about the future they'd like to see of conservatives? Would any one of us stand idly by while fellow Americans and fellow human beings were murdered or jailed(let's say such persecution became legal)? I do think we are soft as a nation--we no longer have the constitution even as individuals to make the really tough decisions. If consequences are involved, most would wilt like dried up flowers even if that meant lives were taken. I'm not saying I have a strong constituation like that--I don't, but I am introspective enough to know that there really is an ethical discussion at play here. How far would any of us be willing to go let's say if the US got more and more hostile to what we deem as a valuable way of life or our livlihood or our land? I've seen many here willing to take up arms for far less then lives of innocents. I only knew Tiller peripherally since I was not a huge follower of all the abortion rhetoric--I simply do not think it's the action of civilized people to take INNOCENT human life, that said it does bring about a larger discussion about where our ethical and moral limits are on allowing evil to prevail. Let's face it anything at this point can become 'legal'. Is there anything individual Americans find worth risking their own lives and freedom for?
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2009, 08:26:13 AM »
Quote from: jtyangel on June 01, 2009, 07:37:34 AM

If more people had 'judged' Mengele or Hitler, imagine how many lives would have been spared. Evil is evil is evil. Hard to feel sad when it is defeated in some small way. The kindest thing a Christian can do now for Tiller is to hope he made peace in that second when he knew the inevitable was coming.

I say the above wrestling with the same Christian compassion expressed here, but I keep getting back to what happens when good people refuse to take a stand. I simply can not in good conscience put this man who took Tiller's life in the same league with other murderers. Yes, he is subject to the laws of our land and will have to serve time for this...consequences I'm sure he was well aware of.

The problem is, whether you like it or not (and I for one don't), abortion is, for now, legal.

While evil is indeed evil, we as a people must make the change to say, "No more innocent blood on our hands."  Should he have been prosecuted for not reporting young girls being raped, etc.?  Absolutely.  Should someone take the law into their own hands?  Not a chance.
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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2009, 09:55:03 AM »
Quote from: Hawkgirl on May 31, 2009, 12:27:01 PM
Late term abortions?  He's a murderer...this may sound cold...but I won't shed one ounce of remorse for this "man"


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Re: Dr. George Tiller Shot To Death
« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2009, 10:11:43 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 01, 2009, 08:26:13 AM
The problem is, whether you like it or not (and I for one don't), abortion is, for now, legal.

While evil is indeed evil, we as a people must make the change to say, "No more innocent blood on our hands."  Should he have been prosecuted for not reporting young girls being raped, etc.?  Absolutely.  Should someone take the law into their own hands?  Not a chance.

What went on in Hitler's Germany was also 'legal' at the time in his country--he made sure legality fit his vision. Again, where is the limit? When do we consider ethics over legality? I'm asking where is a person's limit? When does one's tolerance for such behavior get tested? There are people on this very board who would kill illegals for crossing on their property or fight to the death over draconian tax increases? I hardly see outrage over that and I'd consider that more troubling morally given 'render unto Caeser what is Caeser's' admonitions.
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