http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5742996Oh my.
It's nice to see the buzzy one is still alive and kicking on Skins's island.
Usually non-primitives don't last long there.
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:12 PM
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It has finally happened: DU has gone so far left that they've met the Freepers on the other side.
Back in the day -- 6 short months ago -- anyone stupid enough to even imply support for the GOP would be instantly banned. Once, on a dare, I started a thread here at DU under a different name and supported a flat tax. My alter ego was banned in less than an hour. I actually took some pleasure in knowing that DU weeded out disruptors.
Today, just glance through the new threads at DU, and you'll see Obama torn to shreds time and time again. You'll learn that he is stupid, clueless, the same as Bush, worse than Bush, a traitor, corporatist, anti-environmental, anti-gay, anti-women, a disappointment, a failure. These analyses are not the accumulation of "out there" threads starting back in January 2009. These are comments made in the past hour.
The comments pass muster for the mods, and they are allowed to stand. Posts aren't deleted, names are not removed. These posters are doing the GOP's bidding in the same style as the Free Republic, and they are just fine with that. Some of these posters have gone so far to state that they'd rather have anyone than Obama in office.
We've been told that these eyebrow-raising comments are allowed to stand because DU encourages constructive discourse concerning the politics of the nation. Well, people, the discourse has degraded below the thresh hold of constructive, but the conversation continues to be endorsed by DU.
A few years ago, I took great pleasure in posting on conservative discussion boards to simply point out their insanity. It was easy, and my muses whipped themselves into a frenzy. I quit those boards entirely in 2007 because DU was becoming focused on electing a new President, and I wanted to be a part of it. I donated to the Democratic Party, and I actively campaigned during the run up to the election. Indiana squeaked out a victory for Obama against all odds. It was great and highly satisfying.
DU instantly turned into a cesspool of discontent. Within hours of the election, we had people at DU declaring their dissatisfaction with the new administration, Rachel Maddow called Obama "that bastard", and the fibers were coming unraveled.
I've donated freely to DU, made friends here, and felt like a part of something special. But, the Big Tent is now just a sprawling campground with many small tents, each with its own campfire of burning, personal issues. I'm not leaving, so you can save the "don't the screen door hit you in the ass" comments. But I am no longer a part of this train wreck. I can't help but stare at this freak show, and I marvel how DU does not represent the Democratic Party or the progressive movement. It's just place for anyone with an ax to grind to voice their discontent.
I know the name of a good headshrinker. Some group therapy is in order.
It's an enormous bonfire; it takes half an hour to scroll down the page.
By the way, from the looks of the bold area above, the buzzy one reads franksolich.
That makes two primitives, one non-primitive, on Skins's island known to read franksolich.
Doug's ex-wife, stalking the buzzy one:
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:17 PM
Response to Original message
8. Incivility is not solely the province of the left as your post demonstrates.
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. Another of my favorite shadows.
One nice thing about DU is the wonderful management tools. I'll one of them to use right now.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #16
67. I'm not your shadow but nice deflection.
It's just raging out of control.
BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:31 PM
Response to Original message
43. You have a Free Republic mentality.
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #43
52. errr.... okay. I assume that's bad.
The primitive who helped the woman with a bruised elbow gotten by being run over by a motor vehicle going 40 mph:
Mari333 (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:36 PM
Response to Original message
50. flamebait.
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #50
55. No. Just a point of discussion.
robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 01:58 PM
Response to Original message
78. Good luck with your therapy.
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #78
137. That would be this thread.
A little catharsis, thank you very much.
The mike_c primitive:
mike_c (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
87. Look! The emperor is wearing such handsome clothes!
Feel better?
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #87
141. Uh... no?
You?
The legendary herb primitive:
Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:15 PM
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113. Here's an old joke:
This kid was born to this average couple and, as he grew, he never said a word. They sent him to all the doctors they could think of, and those doctors found nothing wrong with him. One day, just before he would have started school, he came downstairs and sat down at the breakfast table, took a bite of his oatmeal and said, plain as day, "Hey, this is cold."
His parents were overjoyed. After a round of hugging and crying, they asked him "why haven't you said anything before now?"
"Up until now," he said, "everything was fine."
Honestly, I'd love to be cheering some serious work on the progressive front by Congress or Obama. It's hard to get overly enthusiastic about stem cells, as wonderful as they might be. At least his SCOTUS nomination isn't batshit crazy. At least it's not McCain (ReBush) in the White House. At least Obama can speak English rather than Gibberish.
We're certainly better off in a lot of ways. But without a serious attempt to reverse the worst trends of the past several years (if not decades) we're not going to gain any ground against the machine. We're merely a placeholder before the next Republican administration can slip into power, having gained an incredible amount of information about how to go about ruining the country permanently.
This isn't exaggeration and this isn't hyperbole. It's history. We've seen it again and again. At this point all we're really seeing is a little breathing space.
I was like the little kid in the joke. I sat back and observed and waited for something to happen. Only, nothing really did. And doesn't look like it's going to. Instead we're going to creep forward, making so few advances that the next massive push from the right is going to push us right over the edge into oblivion. We gain nothing from the victory if we don't actually DO anything to solve the problems. Buffing around the edges so they're all shiny isn't going to cut it.
And even of more concern is doing things like pushing for an internet security measure that could, in the hands of the far right, screw us worse than we've ever been screwed before. So could mandatory insurance, for that matter. We can't just institute this shit thinking "hey, we won't misuse it." WE might not, but THEY sure as hell will.
Uh oh. A non-fan of the legendary herb primitive:
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #113
121. On the off chance you haven't put me on Ignore, your examples are weak.
While stem cell research may not be a major issue for you, it is for many. His SCOTUS appointment seems quite good to me, in that it's raising the ire of the wingnuts.
After that, you resume your usual rant about us making no progress and just waiting for the next GOOPer administration. I do not believe you have sufficient evidence to back that up. Not nearly sufficient.
Come back in a couple of years and we'll talk about it.
Damning with faint praise is damning, all the same. I'm bored with it.
neverforget (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:34 PM
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152. Last weekend I got into a debate with a certain poster and he implied
I was an Obama hater because I disagreed with Obama on 1 position. It's a 2 way street.
The buzzy one's stalker, Doug's ex-wife, again:
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #152
171. Of course it is. We've been over this ground before.
And this OP is a great example of useless, hyperbolic fingerpointing where there could be a discussion.
reflection (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #171
177. I strongly disagree.
Buzz Clik made some strong points, but he did it in a calm and reasoned manner. 'Useless' is in the eye of the beholder and you are certainly entitled to think such, but what exactly was hyperbolic about the way he laid out his argument?
Yeah.
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Fri May-29-09 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #177
181. It's useless to name call. Reread the OP.
Calling half of DU freepers is not reasoned, it's just name calling. Ditto for freak show and all the rest of it.
The bonfire's got a lot of different flames, different issues.
The buzzy one takes his lumps manfully.
