primitives debate white guys

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=226x6627

Oh my.

This is an old bonfire; I have no idea why it came up as a new one.

zbdent  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 02:00 PM
Original message
 
Why is it that nobody ever makes a huge fuss about the fact that white men feel that they're "entitled" to the few (quota) available positions that hard-working minorities have to fight for, and have to work twice (if not more) as hard to be allowed to attain?

slackmaster  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 02:04 PM
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1. I'm a white man and have no idea what you are ranting about

Please tell me how I feel about whatever it is this thread is about, and why you feel it is appropriate for you to paint with such a broad brush.

lumberjack_jeff  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
 
2. self delete... sarcasm too easy to misinterpret.

slackmaster  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #2

6. Go ahead and IM it to me if you think it was funny

I promise not to misinterpret it.

lumberjack_jeff  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #6

10. Periodically, some people have an irresistable need to let the hate flag fly.

There's only one acceptable target. Maybe two; thee and me. Bonus points if you don't have a college degree either.

zbdent  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
 
7. Should have clarified (Right-wing)

I often hear all these (supposedly) white guys on talk shows saying that they were passed up for an unqualified minority (black, hispanic, female, whatever).

Seems that they felt entitled to those positions ... and that the ONLY reason they lost was because some "affirmative action" guy filled the slot ... usually when the guy doesn't get into college ... no way of verifying the veracity of the caller ...

slackmaster  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #7
 
8. Oh, OK

I don't listen to talk shows that give air time to idiots.

One assumes then the slacking primitive doesn't listen to left-wing radio.

zbdent  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #8
 
9. Usually, the "idiot" comes on with "I'm a lifelong Democrat, but ..." and they've been hitting the moderate-to-left talks shows with their Heritage Foundation approved scripts ...

catnhatnh (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 09:33 PM
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11. Ok-it can be a legitimate beef...

I've posted this once before because it did happen.Back in the late seventies I took two firefighter tests for nearby towns within a week of each other in the towns of Fairfield and Stratford Ct within one week of each other...in fact the physical agility tests were held on consecutive days (Saturday and Sunday) only after candidates for both complained that they were held on the same day.

Anyhow, my brother was a Stratford Fire Lieutenant and that was the slot I wanted-the Fairfield written tests were earlier and I used those as a pre-test. Both departments were under heavy pressure to enlist females and minorities.

In Fairfield after the written and physical tests I was ranked #1 (though I was moved to #2 after oral interview behind a female-the papers did publish an article about a female being ranked #1).

In Stratford I felt confidant that one of the 8 open slots was mine.

Under the guidance of the town attorney the town established three lists-females that passed-minorities that passed-and white males that had passed.They would hire one female, then one minority(male) and then white guy....that meant 3 female slots,3 minority slots, and 2 white guy slots would be filled with the next available slot going to a white guy.

The total females that passed were 6-1/2 were immediately hired. The Total minority males that passed were 8 and 3 were hired immediately. Of white guys somewhere between 250-275 passed-2 were hired.

I expected to be among the top 3 in white guys-the Fairfield test had as many candidates and I did well there-if not 1 or 2 I figured at least 3rd and the next hire...But the town attorney had one more spin-The scores were marked pass/fail and the scores destroyed and all the candidates were listed after being randomized among their lists to prevent law suits.

Among the white candidates I was listed as #258 on the white guy list...or #774 on the next hire list-I wasn't gonna fight fire in my hometown...

I moved on and life went well. My wife who took the test has since died. My brother took an on the job hypertension disability after 35 years. Our kids are adults and not a police record among them. And sometime I wonder about what might have been.

And later I worked with my Dad and another brother at a different profession and the experience was precious to me.

But don't tell me it never happened.

notadmblnd  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-04-08 02:07 PM
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3. I never got that impression

After all white men do have to compete with other white men to obtain a position. Nobody can just apply to a job and get it simply by being white.

IDFbunny  (200 posts)      Sat May-23-09 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #3
 
14. You don't know the secret handshake or pass phrase. HA HA

laststeamtrain (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
 
4. 'Cause there's so damn many of us.

Xithras (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-04-08 02:26 PM
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5. I'm more of a fan of race-neutral hiring processes. 

For example, a company near me made news recently with their "new" hiring process. Interviewees are now selected by hiring committees that are not permitted to view the name, sex, age, or racial data of the applicant. Once interviewees are selected, they are asked to come in and are placed in a small room where they are given the standard questions that the committee has pre-selected for the applicants.

Here's the kicker. There is nobody else in the room, and the applicants answers are simply being recorded via webcam. That recording is transmitted to a transcriptionist (in Pakistan of all places) and the hiring committee receives a text copy of the applicants answers within a few hours. If any follow-up questions are needed, they are sent by mail or email.

The hiring committee never meets the applicants face to face before choosing them. Racial and other forms of discrimination become a non-issue simply because nobody is aware of anyones race. Or gender. Or sexual orientation. Or age. Or anything else.

Giuseppe Mazzini (16 posts)      Tue Apr-14-09 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #5
 
13. This is exactly how we should hire people!

I would however like to keep the transcription jobs in the US, that is the one thing I would change.

flashl (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-05-08 08:05 AM
Response to Original message
 
12. Because no one pays attention to college graduation rates for the past 25 years?

[Texacon]

Xithras (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-04-08 02:26 PM
Response to Original message
 
5. I'm more of a fan of race-neutral hiring processes. 

For example, a company near me made news recently with their "new" hiring process. Interviewees are now selected by hiring committees that are not permitted to view the name, sex, age, or racial data of the applicant. Once interviewees are selected, they are asked to come in and are placed in a small room where they are given the standard questions that the committee has pre-selected for the applicants.

Here's the kicker. There is nobody else in the room, and the applicants answers are simply being recorded via webcam. That recording is transmitted to a transcriptionist (in Pakistan of all places) and the hiring committee receives a text copy of the applicants answers within a few hours. If any follow-up questions are needed, they are sent by mail or email.

The hiring committee never meets the applicants face to face before choosing them. Racial and other forms of discrimination become a non-issue simply because nobody is aware of anyones race. Or gender. Or sexual orientation. Or age. Or anything else.



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Giuseppe Mazzini (16 posts)      Tue Apr-14-09 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #5
 
13. This is exactly how we should hire people!

I would however like to keep the transcription jobs in the US, that is the one thing I would change.

This would never work.  As soon as the numbers started showing something the liberals didn't like it would be scrapped in a heart beat.

KC

[The Village Idiot]

11. has it really gotten that PC?? where they decide who to hire based soley on race and gender?
 does this primitive blame conservatives for this?

zbdent  (1000+ posts)      Mon Aug-04-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
 
7. Should have clarified (Right-wing)

I often hear all these (supposedly) white guys on talk shows saying that they were passed up for an unqualified minority (black, hispanic, female, whatever).

Seems that they felt entitled to those positions ... and that the ONLY reason they lost was because some "affirmative action" guy filled the slot ... usually when the guy doesn't get into college ... no way of verifying the veracity of the caller ...

I think Sotomayor was the one who threw out the New Haven firefighter case. So yes DUmmie, it does happen

[franksolich]

This would never work.  As soon as the numbers started showing something the liberals didn't like it would be scrapped in a heart beat.

You know, the Detroit Symphony used to be one of the finest in the world, I've read.

I wouldn't know myself first-hand, of course.

When holding auditions for places in that symphony, the instrumentalists trying out used to have to play behind a curtain, so the judges couldn't see what one was; only whether or not one was good.

The symphony was nearly all male, very few females.

That is, until the equal opportunists made a racket about it.

So they took down the curtain.

It's my understanding that the Detroit Symphony is no longer considered one of the finest in the world.

[Vagabond]

This would never work.  As soon as the numbers started showing something the liberals didn't like it would be scrapped in a heart beat.

KC

It goes the other way as well.  If I walked into an interview and was met with a camera and preset questions, I would turn around and walk out on the assumption that either the interview or the company, and probably both was a joke. 

I have sat at a conference table and been grilled by four very serious looking faces when applying for a job.  I knew they were serious about finding a good candidate.

A friend of mine once had an interview with eight poeple grilling as to his knowledge of the skills and laws applying to his job.  He was in that chair for four hours.  Then they decided to have his physical fitness checked, and he hadn't been informed to bring a change of clothes.  He said that was one of the most interesting experiences he's ever had.

[Defiant1]

You know, the Detroit Symphony used to be one of the finest in the world, I've read.

I wouldn't know myself first-hand, of course.

When holding auditions for places in that symphony, the instrumentalists trying out used to have to play behind a curtain, so the judges couldn't see what one was; only whether or not one was good.

The symphony was nearly all male, very few females.

That is, until the equal opportunists made a racket about it.

So they took down the curtain.

It's my understanding that the Detroit Symphony is no longer considered one of the finest in the world.

That must make it somewhat nervewracking for the flute tryouts.

[dutch508]

If we live by the leftist view that the total % of race in the country should be the only basis on who to hire all jobs should have:


68% White
14% Hispanic
12% Black
 5% Asian



The above analysis of race is based on a com­parison of the 2003 recruit data and Census popu­lation data for ages 18 and above (not just 18-24). Table 3 provides a summary of racial data, reveal­ing that enlisted recruits are similar to the popula­tion with a few sharp differences. Table 3 also includes a breakout comparison of the 2003 Army recruits, since that branch bears a larger share of danger on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. For example, the data show that, proportionally, blacks make up 43 percent more of the Army recruits than does the general population, but this is not in place of whites, who make up 1 percent more (not less). Other racial categories, notably American Indi­ans/Alaskan Natives (53 percent) and Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders (249 percent), are even more overrepresented.

A military draft along the lines proposed by Rep­resentative Rangel would press thousands more Asian-Americans into service, as well as thousands of Americans who decline to be racially categorized. In contrast, a draft could deny blacks, whites, and others the freedom to enlist in the Army once their racial quotas were filled.

[The Village Idiot]

A friend of mine once had an interview with eight poeple grilling as to his knowledge of the skills and laws applying to his job.  He was in that chair for four hours.  Then they decided to have his physical fitness checked, and he hadn't been informed to bring a change of clothes.  He said that was one of the most interesting experiences he's ever had.

did he get the job?

[Vagabond]

did he get the job?

No, but he said that he knew when they called the physical fitness portion he wouldn't pass.  Not because he couldn't pass the physical fitness but, because they had failed to inform him of the possibility of it.  The interview dragged on three hours past that point, he said he was never so glad to leave a place.

He got a job making a little less than that with a much less difficult interview situation and was making more than that job in two years.