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Steven J. Allen's definition of a conservative:
« on: May 15, 2009, 08:15:57 AM »
Found this site this am http://conservativehq.com

Looking through it, this article was interesting, what do you think?

This is only HALF of the article...the last half with the different 'segments' of conservatives listed:

http://conservativehq.com/conservatism-101/sja-definition-of-conservative/

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A person does not have to adhere to a strict set of political principles to meet my definition of conservative.   One of the characteristics I associate with true conservatives is that they believe in free argument and debate, not unthinking uniformity of opinion.

“Political correctness” is for liberals.  Indeed, the term “politically correct” was first used, without irony, by Marxists.

No two people agree on everything, and no two conservatives agree on 100% of the issues.  As a political movement, conservatism is broad enough to include several types of person:

* Libertarian conservatives seek to reduce the size, cost, and intrusiveness of government.  They say to bureaucrats and politicians: “Leave us alone!” and “Mind your own business!”  Libertarians proudly refuse to recognize political reality.  But, within the ranks of conservatives, libertarianism serves a necessary and critical function: it is the brake in the train of conservatism.  By libertarian conservative standards, every proposal must be measured as to whether it will ultimately strengthen or weaken Big Government.  Ronald Reagan referred to libertarianism as “the heart of conservatism.”

* Traditionalist conservatives (including “religious conservatives”) seek to preserve traditional values and traditional culture, and emphasize the importance of morality and religious faith.  Most traditionalist conservatives are regularly involved in religious activities.  Often, traditionalist conservatives are Southern Baptists, or are among the Catholics who were most favorable to Pope John Paul II, or are orthodox Jews, or Mormons, or belong to some other religious denomination that emphasizes tradition and family life.  But they can be of any religious view.  Traditionalist conservatives stand in opposition to secularist extremists, who seek to erase every public reference to religious views other than their own, and to Radical Religious Left organizations such as the National Council of Churches, which seek to use the power of government to impose their religious views on society.

* Neoconservatives are often former liberals and democratic socialists who have acknowledged the failure of liberalism and socialism to solve society’s problems, in the sense of the old saying, “A neoconservative is a liberal who's been mugged.”  Most older neoconservatives are former members of the branch of liberalism and democratic socialism associated with New York intellectuals; they rebelled against policies that condoned or promoted Communism.  Neoconservatives tend to emphasize scientific analysis of the success or failure of government programs – for example, by statistical studies of whether “welfare,” “affirmative action” discrimination, broad restrictions on gun ownership, and other policies actually improve the lives of the people they are supposed to help.  They believe the U.S. should play a leading role in world affairs, especially in defense of beleaguered democracies such as Israel.  They favor strong action to promote the spread of democracy in the world, noting that constitutional democracies rarely – or, by some measures, never – fight wars against each other.  (In recent years, many critics of the Bush Administration have used the term “neoconservative” to refer to anyone who supported the Iraq War and related endeavors.)

* Populist conservatives believe that grassroots citizens, not the political or cultural elite, should have the most influence in the halls of power. This view was reflected in William F. Buckley Jr.'s remark that he would rather be governed by the first 300 people in the Boston telephone book than by the faculty at Harvard.  Populist conservatives, who usually have backgrounds in poor and middle class families, are among the most avid students of public affairs, as is reflected in the public response to populist-oriented media such as Fox News and political talk radio.  Populist conservatives are especially skeptical of policies favored by pseudo-intellectuals and by elites in Washington and Hollywood.

* Dynamic conservatives believe that economic growth and economic opportunity (the chance to improve one’s station in life) are keys to solving many of society's problems. Associated with supply-side economics, they emphasize the need to cut taxes, and they emphasize the liberating aspects of new technology such as computers and the Internet.  Though this group is small compared to other types of conservatives, it is highly influential because of its ability to engage in the rapid spread of information and ideas.

There are people who aren't so deeply involved in politics that they can identify with one of the groups listed above. They just know what they believe is right, and they think conservatives best represent that point of view.

On many issues, from military intervention to immigration policy, there is disagreement among conservatives. That's why it is important that conservatives argue and debate the issues among themselves, not just with our adversaries.

Ultimately, a conservative is someone who fits reasonably well into one or more of these groups, and who feels comfortable working in coalition with others who are called conservative.
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Re: Steven J. Allen's definition of a conservative:
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 09:18:29 AM »
I dunno.  Some I agree with, others seem to be poorly-differentiated shades of the same subgroup.  Neoconservative in particular is a term that means different things to different people, and given the collapse of the USSR ended serious global threats of Communism as a force almost two decades ago, this particular definition seems pretty dated.  I think of most Conservatives as falling into three main types with a variety of sub-flavors:

Libertarian - Your basic limited government, RKBA, "Leave me alone" guys.

Social Conservatives - Evangelicals, Right-to-Life, and other people who look to moral/religious principles first rather than legal/analytical ones.

Fiscal Conservatives - The RINOs who run the GOP, and who really have more common ground with the Dems on social and individual rights issues than they do with the Social Conservatives or Libertarians.  They are mainly 'Conservative' only in wanting to keep the Government hand out of their family trust fund or personal investments, so their preference for lower taxes has a largely-coincidental effect of looking like they want Small Government.  They really don't, what they want is just low taxes.  Collectively, they couldn't really give a rat's ass about the Social or Liberty issues.  In fact if they see any of them as economically expensive, they'll sell them out in a heartbeat.  Neocons are a subgroup of this bunch, mainly identified by also being for aggressive foreign policy initiatives, despite the tax load that entails. 
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Re: Steven J. Allen's definition of a conservative:
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 06:08:32 PM »
DAT is pretty much better analysis than the OP.

Speaking as one of the fiscal ones, I kind of grumpily have to admit it is truer than I would like.   Especially where it comes to dealing with the religious conservatives.   I think the us fiscal ones feel a bit threatened by the religious ones.  They want standards of inconvenient behavior.

I have to say if Fiscal is your most important issue, you are missing out on the most important part of the discussion.  Fiscal conservatism only makes sense if you have some sort of moral backbone to it.  Libertarians are a bit doctrinaire, but the essence of political discussion is a moral basis.  So the morals are either religious or the feeling that government is from us, and has no more rights than any of us individually, or that good government is a blessing from Gd that has standards of good conduct that Gd insists on.
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