DUmmie+Bill of Rights=Fail

[BamaMoose]

Union Label  (416 posts)      Sat May-02-09 09:01 PM
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A member of the GAWD cult brought Federal charges against a teacher and won
 This shit pisses me off to no extent! Charged for violating his first amendment rights no less, all he did was tell the ****ing little christian soldier that Creationism was "religious superstitious nonsense", it looks valid to me. Anyway read on.

A Mission Viejo high school history teacher violated the First Amendment by disparaging Christians during a classroom lecture, a federal judge ruled today.

James Corbett, a 20-year teacher at Capistrano Valley High School, was found guilty of referring to Creationism as “religious, superstitious nonsense” during a 2007 classroom lecture, denigrating his former Advanced Placement European history student, Chad Farnan.

The decision is the culmination of a 16-month legal battle between Corbett and Farnan – a conflict the judge said should remind teachers of their legal “boundaries” as public school employees. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/corbett-religion-cou...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5584743#5584801

Poor DUmmie doesn't like the fact that teachers can't disparage religion in school.  The whole thread is worth reading.  The DUmmies just can't stand that Freedom of Religion is not the same as Freedom From Religion.

auburnblu (500 posts)     Sat May-02-09 09:08 PM
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2. Like yourself
 I believe in being very intolerant and hateful to any that dare have religious beliefs. And don't get me started when someone dares try to remind me that the 1st amendment not only has the not promoting religion part, but also has the not prohibiting religion part. I go balistic. How dare someone assert anything is more "enlightened" than my beliefs.

Rock on Union, which Ivy League school did you go to? You are "enlightened"

Union Label  (416 posts)      Sat May-02-09 09:13 PM
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7. Thanks for the praise of my enlightenment
 But I'm just a product of public school and community college. Oh and I have an extremely low tolerance of any of the GAWD set.   
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auburnblu (500 posts)     Sat May-02-09 09:23 PM
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17. At least you acknowledge it
 Sort of like the KKK member that at least acknowledges he is a bigot. I suppose that is something.

Cheers, auburnblu, you came up with the correct answer.  And, I must say, my Alabama compatriot does an admirable job of slapping the DUmmies around on this thread.

Political Heretic  (1000+ posts)        Sat May-02-09 09:13 PM
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6. The remark is disparaging. But how does this violate the first amendment? 
 Had Corbett phrased it differently, it would be a different matter. "Superstitious nonsense" goes well beyond the role of an instructor. That may be "true" but there are other ways to say it that aren't personally insulting.

Could have said, Creationism isn't grounded in scientific evidence, it is a religious point of view. That doesn't have anything to do with whether one should believe it or not, it simply isn't within the confines of science.

I'm actually angry at James Corbett for being a dick and thus causing this embarrassing flap where none should have been.
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auburnblu (500 posts)     Sat May-02-09 10:07 PM
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48. Uh oh, the words of the 1st amendment
 Some on here who only like the not promote part of the first amendment may lambast me, but I'm posting more than just that part. The first amendment has a "not promote" and I know this may shock "not prohibit" clause. Who knows perhaps the court found the statement as one that had the school seeking to infringe and prohibit the student's free exercise of religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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Political Heretic  (1000+ posts)        Sat May-02-09 10:20 PM
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53. That's not really answering my question.
 How did the teacher become a member of congress and pass a law that promoted or prohibited religion? And if he didn't do that, then how is this a 1st amendment issue?

The group that wants the ACLU to hit the ground running on every instance of a Nativity on public property and wants to ban religious songs from Christmas pageants suddenly thinks religion, or lack there of, should be taught in public school?

auburnblu (500 posts)     Sat May-02-09 11:03 PM
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69. Please 
 The classroom is not the place for religious discussion and certainly the teacher should not say a bigoted comment to the student. hink you are the one that shuns any opinion other than your own. The teacher could have phrased this a lot differently and made his point without being a bigot.

If I viewed as someone not "enlightened" because I criticize a teacher making bigoted comments, I'm fine with that.

Should a teacher have the right to say, "I think anyone that is gay is leading a lifestyle that goes against the biological design of nature and therefore something is wromg with them" and say this to a student who is gay. Per your logic, the teacher should be saying that to a gay student if the teacher believes that. Thoughts? 

He shoots....he scores.

TankLV  (1000+ posts)      Sun May-03-09 12:29 PM
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172. This is a bullshit ruling - this teacher's FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS were trampled on...
 **** the fundy IGNORANT student if he can't handle the TRUTH!!!

I ****ing just can't stand the way these ASSHOLE FUNDIES insist on SHOVING THEIR RELIGION DOWN OUR THROATS at EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT!!!

And this DUmmies sums up the DUmp nicely.  Completely misses the point, fails to understand the issue being discussed and thinks that swearing, typing in full caps and tossing a few exclamation points around will make him look less stupid than he clearly is.

[happy1ga]

Ah, and they like to say those of us from Bama are stupid, now don't they? A bunch of ignoRANT fundies. Odd how the only person on the thread with sense, logic, and the correct reading of the Constitution is the ignorant Southerner. Heh.

[BamaMoose]

Ah, and they like to say those of us from Bama are stupid, now don't they? A bunch of ignoRANT fundies. Odd how the only person on the thread with sense, logic, and the correct reading of the Constitution is the ignorant Southerner. Heh.

There were a few others that actually understood what the First Amendment means, but the boy from Bama was definitely leading the charge on the ignorance that is the DUmp.

[Chris]

Union Label  (416 posts)      Sat May-02-09 09:01 PM
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A member of the GAWD cult brought Federal charges against a teacher and won
 This shit pisses me off to no extent! Charged for violating his first amendment rights no less, all he did was tell the ****ing little christian soldier that Creationism was "religious superstitious nonsense", it looks valid to me. Anyway read on.

I'd rather not.  You've pretty much blown any credibility you had out of the water with your opening salvo, much like your DUmmy brother's LTTE that suggested the Nebraska mayor put on dress if he wanted to emulate Rudy Giuliani.

Another leftist miscreant looking for street cred finds a home and a captive audience at the DUmp.

[Flame]

Imagine the uproar if the teacher had said "Islam is jsut a religion made up by a man who "liked" young girls".

[USA4ME]

Imagine the uproar if the teacher had said "Islam is just a religion made up by a man who "liked" young girls".

Or if a teacher had said "Everyone who doesn't believe in God is going to spend eternity in Hell in torment."  No doubt the Union Label primitive would view that as being in violation of the 1st Amendment.

OTOH, while reading through the thread I have come to discover that the primitives Zhade and reggie the dog are two of the most stupid people who have ever existed.  You ever want a definition of someone who says things on-line they wouldn't dare say to someone's face, their quotes would be among the examples.

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[Karin]

This shit pisses me off to no extent!

English usage fail.  All hail the public skool. 

[jinxmchue]

TankLV  (1000+ posts)      Sun May-03-09 12:29 PM
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172. This is a bullshit ruling - this teacher's FIRST AMMENDMENT RIGHTS were trampled on...
 **** the fundy IGNORANT student if he can't handle the TRUTH!!!

I ****ing just can't stand the way these ASSHOLE FUNDIES insist on SHOVING THEIR RELIGION DOWN OUR THROATS at EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT!!!

The teacher in front of a captive audience is defended for shoving his anti-religious beliefs down his students' throats.  Ironic.

[jinxmchue]

I would've walked out of that asshole's class.

[delilahmused]

The teacher in front of a captive audience is defended for shoving his anti-religious beliefs down his students' throats.  Ironic.

Not to mention, as a public employee he's a representative of the government. What's the difference between this government agent spouting his opinion and every school in the country changing Christmas to Holiday to Winter party so as not to offend? I've read that amendment a few times and I don't see where it only applies to non Christians, but that's just me.

Cindie

[Vagabond]

Not to mention, as a public employee he's a representative of the government. What's the difference between this government agent spouting his opinion and every school in the country changing Christmas to Holiday to Winter party so as not to offend? I've read that amendment a few times and I don't see where it only applies to non Christians, but that's just me.

Cindie

Nope, they want government to actively persecute Christians for supposed past wrongs.  They won't settle until they get their way.  Oddly enough, they would then turn on the people they got to persecute the Christians and around the merry go round they go.

[franksolich]

.....while reading through the thread I have come to discover that the primitives Zhade and reggie the dog are two of the most stupid people who have ever existed.

The shady primitive, the "Zhade" primitive, is also a really big liar.

Skins's island of course has had lots and lots of liars, of whom the lying tits primitive was the most extravagant example, but more dangerous than loudmouths like the lying tits primitive, are those primitives whose lies are so discreet one almost misses them, and of course the primitives miss them entirely.