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DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« on: April 30, 2009, 06:00:30 AM »
Infuriating doesn't even cover what is about to transpire...

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malaise  (1000+ posts)      Wed Apr-29-09 09:44 PM
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Oh My!!!! The Torture Executive Order
 http://www.pubrecord.org/torture/868.html?task=view
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Senior FBI agents stationed in Iraq in 2004 claimed in an e-mail that President George W. Bush signed an executive order approving the use of military dogs, sleep deprivation and other harsh tactics to intimidate Iraqi detainees.

The FBI e-mail -- dated May 22, 2004 -- followed disclosures about abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison and sought guidance on whether FBI agents in Iraq were obligated to report the U.S. military’s harsh interrogation of inmates when that treatment violated FBI standards but fit within the guidelines of a presidential executive order.

According to the e-mail, Bush’s executive order authorized interrogators to use military dogs, “stress positions,” sleep “management,” loud music and “sensory deprivation through the use of hoods, etc.” to extract information from detainees in Iraq, which was considered a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Bush has never before been directly linked to authorizing specific interrogation techniques at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib. Bush has admitted, however, that he personally signed off on the waterboarding of three "high-value" prisoners.
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http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/FBI.121504.494...
 
emails...years after the fact...nothing but silence before...how convenient

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NNN0LHI  (1000+ posts)      Wed Apr-29-09 09:50 PM
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2. Before this is over we are going to find out Bush signed off on raping the children of detainees
 To get their mothers to talk. We know it happened we know Bush and Cheney are capable of it.

Obama probably already knows about it.

Don

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valerief  (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-29-09 09:56 PM
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7. I'll bet that's true. nt

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yodermon  (1000+ posts)      Wed Apr-29-09 10:35 PM
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9. even *they* aren't stupid enough to leave evidence of such an order behind.

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glitch  (1000+ posts)      Wed Apr-29-09 10:45 PM
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11. I don't know, they're pretty stupid. Evil doesn't take a lot of smarts. 
 They aren't too stupid to be culpable though. What I like to call low cunning, dumb and nasty (and usually quite successful in lawless states).

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Lerkfish  (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-29-09 11:17 PM
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15. they were counting on a thousand year republican rule, remember.
 it was stupidity, it was hubris. They felt they would perpetually be in control, so they didn't worry about it.
Remember what? The morbid fantasies you conjure to avoid genuine debate while making your own pathetic life seem signifigant by standing up to "da man"?

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islandgirl808 (174 posts)      Wed Apr-29-09 10:37 PM
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10. oh dear god that would be sickening
 if true, i hope they burn in hell and satan teabags them   

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malaise  (1000+ posts)      Wed Apr-29-09 10:50 PM
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13. and left a paper trail to boot
 Special prosecutor needed.

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jgraz  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-30-09 04:47 AM
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16. Signed off on? He probably was the one who thought of it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5564510

These little shit stains all but plotted active treason to thwart efforts of someone who actually did have rape rooms as part of their government apparatus...and who incidently cavorted with terrorists and still had an active WMD research program and wanted to attack the US...but they couldn't bring themselves to even support an effort to depose that tyrant and install a democracy.

But let them fabricate such charges out of wholecloth and they rush in after it to prove just how tough they can be.

These asholes deserve to die. They want a revolution? They should be shot in the streets. They refuse harsh interrogation techniques? They should find themselves stuck in a burning hi-rise from a "man-made disaster" deciding whether to burn, choke or jump. They do not deserve their lives. At a minimum we should repeal the 13th amendment and beat them into slavery where they have a chance to actually be useful.
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 07:05:33 AM »
Oh my.

The primitives babbling incoherent, inconsistent nonsense, again.
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 07:38:10 AM »
They are rather unhinged these days aren't they????
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 07:58:48 AM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on April 30, 2009, 07:38:10 AM
They are rather unhinged these days aren't they????

It's really puzzling, isn't it, and yet, not so much.
 
The DUmmies finally get what they have craved for so long, complete control of the reins of government.  So do they revel as they usher in the Millenium of Bliss which Zero is sure to bring them?

No.

They sustain the cacaphony of mindless bitching which has always been the hallmark of the DUmp, perhaps even driving it up a decibel or two.

As someone on this board has said before, the DUmmies will never be happy.


God forgive me, but that fact makes me smile.
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 08:06:28 AM »
I'd like to torture the DUmmies. I'd send them a notice, "Effective today, no more welfare checks, no more disability checks, no foodstamps, no government housing, no WIC vouchers, no more free healthecare, no more government freebies PERIOD...
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 09:04:41 AM »
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11. I don't know, they're pretty stupid.

I really wish you DUmmies would get your meme's straight.  Either Bush is a ****ing genius for engineering the 9/11 attacks and staying in office without "marshall law" for 8 years, or he's dumb as a rock.  You can't have it both ways.
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 11:31:46 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on April 30, 2009, 06:00:30 AM
Infuriating doesn't even cover what is about to transpire...
emails...years after the fact...nothing but silence before...how convenient
Remember what? The morbid fantasies you conjure to avoid genuine debate while making your own pathetic life seem signifigant by standing up to "da man"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5564510

These little shit stains all but plotted active treason to thwart efforts of someone who actually did have rape rooms as part of their government apparatus...and who incidently cavorted with terrorists and still had an active WMD research program and wanted to attack the US...but they couldn't bring themselves to even support an effort to depose that tyrant and install a democracy.

But let them fabricate such charges out of wholecloth and they rush in after it to prove just how tough they can be.

These asholes deserve to die. They want a revolution? They should be shot in the streets. They refuse harsh interrogation techniques? They should find themselves stuck in a burning hi-rise from a "man-made disaster" deciding whether to burn, choke or jump. They do not deserve their lives. At a minimum we should repeal the 13th amendment and beat them into slavery where they have a chance to actually be useful.

Yeah, the problem is they don't have the guts for a revolution.  They would all be busy trying to be the hindmost of Pierson's Puppeteers.  They're the ones that instead of rushing into a burning building, would stand  back and criticize the efforts of those who do.  Your right, they don't deserve their life or their liberty.  H5!
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 04:13:53 PM »
Quote from: VelvetElvis on April 30, 2009, 07:58:48 AM
It's really puzzling, isn't it, and yet, not so much.
 
The DUmmies finally get what they have craved for so long, complete control of the reins of government.  So do they revel as they usher in the Millenium of Bliss which Zero is sure to bring them?

No.

They sustain the cacaphony of mindless bitching which has always been the hallmark of the DUmp, perhaps even driving it up a decibel or two.

As someone on this board has said before, the DUmmies will never be happy.


God forgive me, but that fact makes me smile.

Permit me to cause you to smile some more:  The DUmb****s aren't happy unless they aren't happy, and making others unhappy.
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 04:20:52 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on April 30, 2009, 04:13:53 PM
Permit me to cause you to smile some more:  The DUmb****s aren't happy unless they aren't happy, and making others unhappy.

The Little Goons do seem to be like ugly-ass mules chasing a Utopian carrot on a stick while never bothering to stick their necks out to reach it.
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 04:23:50 PM »
Quote from: Lord Undies on April 30, 2009, 04:20:52 PM
The Little Goons do seem to be like ugly-ass mules chasing a Utopian carrot on a stick while never bothering to stick their necks out to reach it.

Hey, hey, hey! My mules are nothing close to UGLY! Watch what you're sayin' about mules! They don't look anything like DUmbasses! (pun intended)
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 05:06:21 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on April 30, 2009, 04:23:50 PM
Hey, hey, hey! My mules are nothing close to UGLY! Watch what you're sayin' about mules! They don't look anything like DUmbasses! (pun intended)

Waaaait a sec . . . did he say, "ugly-ass mules owned by AllosaurusRex?"  Unless you have one of those "secret decoder ring" thingies, I can't support you in this.  Matter of fact, LU gets the nod here.
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2009, 02:51:47 AM »
Quote from: Vagabond on April 30, 2009, 11:31:46 AM
Yeah, the problem is they don't have the guts for a revolution. 

Or energy. It would require way too much effort & they might even have to leave the basement.
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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2009, 01:41:59 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on April 30, 2009, 05:06:21 PM
Waaaait a sec . . . did he say, "ugly-ass mules owned by AllosaurusRex?"  Unless you have one of those "secret decoder ring" thingies, I can't support you in this.  Matter of fact, LU gets the nod here.

Ummmm, you ever SEEN a mule? They all look the same!
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2009, 02:28:45 PM »
It never ceases to amaze me how they can be completely outraged about something they've completely made up. I don't particularly care how they extract information from people who want to kill Americans (even the DUmmies), but I can understand having a moral objection to "torture" and even differing opinions of what it is. Though I'd love to see what their reaction would be if they discovered this kind of thing happened under Dem presidents. But how sick and twisted to you have to be to DELIBERATELY paint a mental picture of an adult raping a child? Besides, the only troops I know that do that is the UN "peacekeepers". Maybe it's okay to rape brown children if you're wearing a blue hat. Maybe it's only wrong if you imagine your own countrymen doing it.

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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2009, 05:03:59 PM »
Quote from: delilahmused on May 01, 2009, 02:28:45 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how they can be completely outraged about something they've completely made up. I don't particularly care how they extract information from people who want to kill Americans (even the DUmmies), but I can understand having a moral objection to "torture" and even differing opinions of what it is. Though I'd love to see what their reaction would be if they discovered this kind of thing happened under Dem presidents. But how sick and twisted to you have to be to DELIBERATELY paint a mental picture of an adult raping a child? Besides, the only troops I know that do that is the UN "peacekeepers". Maybe it's okay to rape brown children if you're wearing a blue hat. Maybe it's only wrong if you imagine your own countrymen doing it.

Cindie

What I find unbelievable is that these pukes don't give a damn about the Americans who died when assholes flew planes into the World Trade Center! Actually they're damn lucky guys like me aren't in charge of pulling info out of these killers!

If I had the slightest idea SOB's were going to endanger my family and friends, I shudder to think what I would do in order to extract the info I needed to keep them safe! Amazing what a ball peen hammer and toes would do in order to get a clue!
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2009, 06:04:34 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on May 01, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
Ummmm, you ever SEEN a mule? They all look the same!

Why, yes I have, thank you very much.  Just because I live in the 'burbs doesn't mean that I've never been on a farm, or would prefer being on one.  (If I hit the Mega Millions tonight, I'm headed north, though, into the Adirondacks.)
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2009, 11:24:03 PM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on April 30, 2009, 07:38:10 AM
They are rather unhinged these days aren't they????

It's tragic and pathetic at the same time.  The Little Goonstm will defend support cheer and damn near volunteer to sign on as a disruptor for any third world dictator that bad mouths this country...THEIR country I might add....and in the same breath trash demean and do what they can in their own way to undermine the very country that allows them to be such a flaming JACKASS!
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2009, 11:56:38 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on May 01, 2009, 06:04:34 PM
Why, yes I have, thank you very much.  Just because I live in the 'burbs doesn't mean that I've never been on a farm, or would prefer being on one.  (If I hit the Mega Millions tonight, I'm headed north, though, into the Adirondacks.)

Well then, you will understand how you can't call out "mule ugly" without pissin' my mules off without me coming to their behalf.  :-)
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Re: DU Talks Torture, MSB has Meltdown
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2009, 11:59:21 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on May 01, 2009, 11:56:38 PM
Well then, you will understand how you can't call out "mule ugly" without pissin' my mules off without me coming to their behalf.  :-)

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