So, the communist russian chick was................

[Vagabond]

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 04:24 PM
Original message
So was seating at the dealership today waiting for my car to get serviced
 Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 04:26 PM by nadinbrzezinski
and CNN was playing in the background

This older gentleman started to get visibly angry at the "lib'rul media and the torture story."\

So he kept ranting on and on and on, over how them lib'ruls would never serve and are damaging the country

So I asked him... anybody in your family CURRENTLY serving?

Yeah, so? Nephew...

You will not mind then if he is captured and water-boarded then. It is not torture, you say.

He got red in the face... "they would not do that, we are the US of A.. even suggesting it..."

Ask your nephew about SERE training and the reasons for it, now answer the damn question... you will not mind it then.

Well, you damn lberals never serve...

Try again buddy, and engaging in torture is not only against US law, but also an ilegal order under the UCMJ.. now ask your nephew next time he comes home on leave, about SERE and why and look him in the eyes and dare to tell him that you will not mind it, if he is waterboarded, beyond training that is... or has his nails removed, or quite frankly is raped... after all that is what we are doing.

The other people in the waiting room started to applaud, a little social shaming I guess.

Then there was this Navy Commander waiting for his car too. The only thing he said was... glad somebody actually gets it...

SERE training was started to prepare certain of our troops for what your people would do to them, Nadine.  You call waterboarding torture, in fact you call anything that isn't bowing and groveling before our enemies for having the nerve to exist.  The enemy, your erstwhile allies, does far worse to more people on a daily basis.

CaliforniaPeggy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 04:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. What a GREAT smackdown! 
 You seriously rock, girl!

You not only have the courage of your convictions, but you have the smarts to speak them!

I am proud!


Big K&

Says one liar to another.

Name removed (0 posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Deleted message
 Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Oops, someone tried to inject sanity.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Why SERE exists
 and do enlighten me, when did the guerrillas in Mogadishu exactly sign the Geneva Convention?

We have

I have twenty million rubles that say you never read the Geneva convention.  It doens't say what you think, comrade.

galloglas  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. "they were set on fire and dragged through the streets." ??
 You sure you are not thinking of Fallujah ?? Regardless, whether it is Somalia or Fallujah, we were not aligned against signatories to the Geneva Convention.

And, BTW, what you refer to was not torture. It was the desecration of bodies after they were killed. Probably borrowed a page from the US Military's book on either Dresden or the napalm firebombing of innocents in Vietnam.

Well, I guess we can figure out how the dearly departed earned a tombstone.  By the way DUmmies, desecrating remains goes against the geneva convention and the Koran, I know you didn't know that.  Saudi troops risked their lives trying to stop the Somalis from what they did.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. And at Fallujah, these were Mercenaries
 who are NOT protected under the conventions, not that most people know that

Usrename (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #22
35. EVERYBODY is protected under the conventions.
 Where is this fictitious carve-out in the conventions that excludes ANY human being from being covered?

It's a myth. It doesn't even exist. Non-signatories cannot get POW status, but the conventions still apply to them, just like they apply to ALL humans.

Where do you get this crap from? Why are you STILL mouthing the Bush/Cheney/Addington/Rumsfield/Wolfowitz/Gonzales talking points?

Haven't you figured it out yet that each and every one of those folks are ALL criminals and they just made all this bullshit up about the Geneva Conventions not being applicable?

Further evidence indicating the DUmmies have never read nor understood the Geneva Conventions.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Mercenaries are treated in the same category as spies
 you know that RIGHT?

No you don't

Go to the ICRC site and read them

That by the way was done on purpose by the by

eomer (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-24-09 06:06 AM
Response to Reply #37
85. Common Article 3 protections apply to everybody.
 Common Article 3:


In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

(1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed 'hors de combat' by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) taking of hostages;

(c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

(2) The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.

An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.

The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/AP-Guantanamo-Geneva-Conv...


The essential first paragraph, when read correctly, covers everyone not covered under the other articles. The correct reading is like this:


In the case of armed conflict not (of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties)


The incorrect reading, the one used by the Bush administration, is like this:


In the case of armed conflict (not of an international character) (occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties)


I don't see any exception based on whether the person is a mercenary. It says "Persons", not "Persons other than mercenaries".

14thColony  (753 posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
34. ...
 1. That was Fallujah. The Somalis didn't burn any of the bodies of US dead.
2. They were 'security contractors' - mercs don't get to be called 'our guys.'
3. Defiling a dead body is not torture, since the person is, well...dead.
4. We already had a looooong period of 'tit for tat' in warfare; thousands of years of massacres and atrocities. With the Geneva Conventions all the great powers agreed that they would impose rules on the conduct of war EVEN IF THE OTHER SIDE DIDN'T.

More evidence indicating DU has not read the Geneva Conventions.  A lot of evidence that this DUmmie paid no attention at all to Somalia, those were most certainly troops.

tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #11
50. I led men in combat in Mogadishu.
 Let me be the first to tell you. If I found that any of those men had tortured a prisoner, I personally would have assured they made it to Leavenworth prison.

I did discover that some of my troops had stolen money from locals. Gave the assholes a field grade article 15 and took a stripe. No more stealing.

Republicans worship draft dodgers like Rush Limbaugh and have no concept of honor or decency.

Nations and people that support torture are rotten and evil.

I didn't fight for a country that allows torture.

Does anyone know whether tobasco has ever indicated his service before?  Further, what is torture?  We aren't exactly going to get information from them by saying pretty please.

MadMaddie  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #50
55. Thanks Tabasco! 
 You are correct Republicans worship draft dodgers like Rush Limbaugh and Cheney and they have no concept of honor or decency.

Says a person that unequivocally supports horrific murder and torture done to people, so long as they haven't been born yet. What's with this meme that you now have to have served to have honor and decency?  What does this say for Dear Leader?

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 04:29 PM
Response to Original message
3. Good job. I have started calling people who spout unsolicited
 crap in public places on their words, too. Since they initiate the discussion, I have no qualms.

My latest one was some guy in his 70s who was decrying "socialized medicine" in a bar near me. I asked him if he had a Medicare card. "Yeah," he said. I said, "I rest my case." He got it. I didn't have to remind him about his Social Security payments. Since I'm a white-haired old geezer on Social Security, I can beard these guys on their own crap.

For the keyboard warriors, I just ask them what branch they served in. I would not do that unless I could answer that I had served. Usually, they hem and haw and explain that they had a deferment or some such crap.

A bouncy and a zulu in one thread.  I hope there is a stretchy further down.

haele  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Last week, I was in the hallway at work (military base) talking to a new, young co-worker - 
 He had just been transferred from his first job with the government (he had worked at a rather small shop habituated by Randriods) and was asking me about the stickers he saw on my car, asking me if it was okay to drive on base with the "anti-government" bumper stickers I had ("Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry" "Obama Biden" "Retired Navy Chief" and "No on Prop 8" are Anti-government?).
I replied that so long as there were no indecent words or incitements to kill or damage, it didn't matter what was on my bumper, and that it wasn't illegal to be a liberal in the military.
A Navy Commander coming up behind me, loudly commented that "Thank god it isn't illegal to be a liberal" and gave me a thumbs up as he walked passed.

Lots of liberals are serving in the military - and I've noticed that Faux Noise is no longer one of the standard "go to" satellite feeds for TV's in military waiting spaces, on ship or shore. It seems to be CNN, Discovery, National Geographic, The Military or the History Channels now.


Haele

Two bouncies and a zulu, still looking for a stretchy....

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Live in a navy town
 have been talking down to these idiots for more than a few years now

The loud mouths who belong to the 101st keyboard brigade are loud because nobody faces them.

There just ain't no place with more loudmouths than DU anywhere on the internets.

MineralMan  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. Well, they rarely actually voice their filthy opinions
 in places where they're likely to be confronted with them. They post on places like Free Republic and Stormfront.

These days, they're finding that speaking out gets serious disagreement. We won. I try not to let them forget it when they spew garbage.

Still, you have to pick your opportunities. There are places where it's unsafe to beard these twits.

Not judging by the amount of bouncies, stretchies, and zulus ya'll post.

calimary  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #10
28. That's it, exactly! They spew because nobody's out there checking it, challenging it, 
 Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 05:16 PM by calimary
rebutting it with - um - these ridiculous and inconvenient things called "facts."

They're used to just being able to spew without consequences. Well, times are different now, and we've seen too much and we know too much and EVERYTHING we all were trying so hard to say to stop all the madness turned out to be true, and we won't be suppressed anymore!!!

You only beat a bully by getting in his or her face and hitting back. And hitting back HARD. Because basically, bullies are cowards.

BTW - GREAT JOB! These people need to be put in their places.

Says the people that shout down and try to silence anyone who doesn't agree with them.

barbtries  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
33. these are my favorite stories to read on DU!
 the best part is that it sounds as if you had the support of most of the people in that room. and it sounds as if they all knew what was being discussed!

justice may happen after all

Well now, there is a reason for that........

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #44
60. I love it too
 between having actually served (in somebody else's military, my job was to partly enforce them silly conventions) and having married a US sailor who went to war...

Yep, I love it every time...

Now I almost expected the I was at (insert conflict here you *(*&^&**) but I guess this older gentleman was also a draft dodger.

Yeah, you were enforcing convention all right.  Did Nadine just admit that she was one of the ones for keeping thos Soviet troops in line?

ejpoeta  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
46. that is my thoughts exactly. anyone who supports torture also supports
 the torture of american soldiers. torture is ok, then it is ok for others to do it to OUR soldiers. it's amazing how many would go ballistic if that were done to any american soldier. good response to the guy. good response!!

Nadine's people had a lot of practice torturing American soldiers.  During World War 2, when they were supposed to be our allies.  During Korea.  During Vietnam. And a hundred other little grassfires where we faced off against the Russian communists and their local lackeys.  Hey Nadine, you guys still lost, suck on it.

Codeine  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape
 It's a training regime that teaches soldiers how to deal with capture. Participants are waterboarded so they can experience how utterly debilitating it is, among other things.

A great bit on NPR's "All Things Considered" program dealt with it today.

And yet our troops come through unharmed.  Sound like a useful technique.  That is probably why you don't want it being used.

flyarm (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 09:18 PM
Response to Original message
53. OH DEAR DEAR NADIN..I WISH I HAD BEEN THERE WITH YOU!!!!!!! 
 Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 09:19 PM by flyarm
DEAR NADIN.. How freaking long have we been at this bullshit??????

But we have come a long way lady, have we not???????

I thought i was the only loud one in waiting rooms!!

Except now instead of us getting the rolling eys ..we get the applause!! Long time coming..

And hey if i haven't told you lately..thanks for serving .you and yours..if you get my meaning!!

Seems to me it was only last week that you and I were getting our brains beat out even here on DU about prosecutions..seems the tide has turned..or would that be the ASPENS???????????

GOOD ON YOU GAL!!

The one benefit I find now from being loud in waiting rooms for Doctors..now they put me in a room right away..and they don't have me wait in the waiting room..for fear, i believe, that they think i will start a revolt in their waiting rooms!! Lol..

Here's to you dear Nadin!!!!

fly

Sure, in other words you go in public looking for a fight and hoping to humiliate somebody.  Ever wonder why other people tend to avoid you?  It's the truth, your an asshole.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-23-09 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #53
61. In spirit fly, in spirt
 and the silent applause to open applause has happened, the switch that is, over the last two months or so

Seems the swearing in and looking at two very scared excuses for human beings at the inaguration have done something to the national consciousness

And as to revelations of what we have done... expect this to be the damn tip of the damn iceberg

People lack imagination as to what folks are capable of doing.

Comrade, one would only suppose at what you have done.  Why don't you tell us, what are people are capable of doing to each other?  I'm sure your experience enforcing convention provided some insight.

nadinbrzezinski  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-24-09 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #71
74. Well given that 1% of our population has actually served
 and only 5% has direct contact with the armed forces, chances are in these contacts they have not served.

Of course in a navy town the percentages do go up, of both active, reserve and retired... but hey... this does not mean the idiots keep quiet

I have had a few interesting contacts with the idiots... and a few times with active duty personnel involved.

So, comrade, how does one go about silencing them?  Oh, and quit saying our country.  It ain't yours.  You've never truly adopted it.

defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-24-09 12:36 AM
Response to Original message
75. Glad to hear this story for a number of reasons . . . for one,   
 Americans being more politically open -- I love to pass by people now and hear

them talking about politics. Never used to be!

Also -- when we do, we are obviously clearly more liberal/progressives.

And happy to hear that you had support for your comments!

Thank you! 

Saying they can't believe Obama is President does not a "progressive" make.

Alas, no stretchy.  But two bouncies and a zulu aren't bad.
DUmmies on the Geneva convention

[dutch508]

The odds are that if 'you' or your 'nephew' are taken prisoner you'll be murdered in a most painful way.


Why the DUmpmonkiez don't get that are beyond me.

[Wineslob]

I went and watched the Christopher Hitchens video. I have no idea if it was done correctly or not, but it dident look like much to me, but he sure as hell gave up really quick. If I'm understanding this right it's more of a feeling of drowning than any real possibility of drowning. Looked like a good non-injuring technique to me.

I've seen worse on Fear Factor.


Dummies, GET THE **** OVER IT.

[Vagabond]

The odds are that if 'you' or your 'nephew' are taken prisoner you'll be murdered in a most painful way.


Why the DUmpmonkiez don't get that are beyond me.

That's it exactly.

Nadine has me wondering exactly what she did for the Reds though.  We know they didn't really give a damn about the Geneva conventions beyond trying to force us to follow them.  I'd say she was the chick that they used to come in and laugh at a prisoner's private parts and comment on their lack of size.  Of course, that would imply she was ever good looking.....

[franksolich]

Nadine has me wondering exactly what she did for the Reds though.  We know they didn't really give a damn about the Geneva conventions beyond trying to force us to follow them.  I'd say she was the chick that they used to come in and laugh at a prisoner's private parts and comment on their lack of size.  Of course, that would imply she was ever good looking.....

In case you didn't know this, sir, the Zbigniew primitive came to the United States--via Israel--as a "refugee" from the Soviet Union, in the late 1970s, 1977 I think.

The Zbigniew primitive was one of those Soviet citizens who had taken great pains to disguise her Judaic derivation all her life, but suddenly when the Soviets allowed Soviet Jews to emigrate, she came out of the closet.

She was supposed to go to Israel and stay, but her idea was to end up here.

For whatever sinister and malicious reasons, one can only guess.

Perhaps the Russian mafia.  I dunno.

I knew a lot like that, in the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants with free medical care for all, and a few here in the United States.

The unfortunate thing being, in getting to come here, the Zbigniew primitive made it not possible for an authentically persecuted Soviet Jew to come here.

That's pretty damned selfish, I think.

[Vagabond]

In case you didn't know this, sir, the Zbigniew primitive came to the United States--via Israel--as a "refugee" from the Soviet Union, in the late 1970s, 1977 I think.

The Zbigniew primitive was one of those Soviet citizens who had taken great pains to disguise her Judaic derivation all her life, but suddenly when the Soviets allowed Soviet Jews to emigrate, she came out of the closet.

She was supposed to go to Israel and stay, but her idea was to end up here.

For whatever sinister and malicious reasons, one can only guess.

Perhaps the Russian mafia.  I dunno.

I knew a lot like that, in the socialist paradises of the workers and peasants with free medical care for all, and a few here in the United States.

The unfortunate thing being, in getting to come here, the Zbigniew primitive made it not possible for an authentically persecuted Soviet Jew to come here.

That's pretty damned selfish, I think.

Thanks I remembered some of it, but not all.  That is why I was thinking she was something to do with the red army.  I think whe is one nast piece of work, whether she ever does what she says she does or not.

[asdf2231]

From Tabasco's old posts:

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Forum Name Sports
Topic subject My sports story involving General Peter Pace, Chairman JCofS.
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44176, My sports story involving General Peter Pace, Chairman JCofS.
Posted by tabasco on Tue Jan-02-07 11:26 AM

I was a Captain in the Army and an aide to a two-star general who was Peter Pace's boss. We ate breakfast together in a mess hall in Mogadishu. Somebody mentioned at breakfast that the Toronto Blue Jays had just won the World Series and the last game was ended with a home run. I said that the last time that happened was in 1960 when Bill Mazeroski lifted the Pittsburgh Pirates over the Yankees in game 7 of the World Series. Peter Pace immediately shot back: "That is some of the most useless knowledge you could have in your head!" Exact quote - I swear to God. I couldn't say Jack Shit because he was a general, but I LMAO because I figure Pace is a Yankees fan!!!111!!! 

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Funny... Not a lot of Dog Robbers "Lead Men" in combat. They mostly open doors and carry briefcases and pick up the Genrul's laundry and bail out his kids. 

And he was an Airborne Ranger:

tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-27-07 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. I'm an Airborne Ranger with a CIB.
 Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 11:03 AM by tabasco
Two combat tours. Twelve years in the infantry. You think you know better than me, tough guy?

You sound like a phony to me. You have never been deployed for months away from a PX in any case, or you would know better.

We've had a whole lot of phony soldiers here.

On edit: I can't believe anyone who has worn combat boots in the field would ask how your feet get wet in the desert. That tells me you never wore combat boots in your life. Your feet get soaking wet with sweat even walking through dry sand in jungle boots.

tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Mon Aug-27-07 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Thanks for your service.
 Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 09:32 PM by tabasco
If you ever see a post from me which is derogatory to soldiers in MOS's other than infantry, please forgive me.

I really respect all soldiers in all MOS's who are doing their best. Sometimes these chairborne rangers posting right-wing claptrap from Fort Living Room make the grunt in me come out. Apologies in advance.

 You're not a weenie if you're giving your best for the Army! 

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tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Mon May-09-05 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. I'm a troop and I don't have any problem with the comment.
 Edited on Mon May-09-05 05:38 PM by tabasco
There are plenty of vets here at DU. Those of us who have been in combat can tell you that headlines like this one are usually lies.

Our troops shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place. They didn't sign up to fight in Bush's oil war. I agree wholeheartedly that the great majority of the troops don't want to kill civilians. It's the guys higher up that are responsible for sending soldiers on unnecessary missions in which civilian casualties are unavoidable.

I have been in combat as an infantryman twice and I will never forget the faces of the dead. Especially the dead who should not have been killed.

Is it ok with you that we have "accidentally" killed over 100,000 civilians in this war? According to your post, it's ok because it was an accident. Just wondering where you're coming from. Literally.

edit typo

tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Mon May-09-05 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. I'm served 1981-1995, Army infantry.
 Still in the reserves.

I signed up at the AFES in New Orleans, Louisiana on 13 October 1981, when Bush was a coked out playboy ruining businesses that his daddy set him up in.

How about yourself? Any service time? How old are you? Ever think about joining up ? 

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Sterling (1000+ posts)      Fri Jan-09-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Did you know according to MSNBC's "Blackhawk Down"special
 OBL was involved in the ambush on our troops in 1993? You pointed out Bush 1 sent our boys in as a lame duck. Why do you think he did that?

I know but I would like to see if anyone else can connect the dots first.

 

tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Sat Jan-10-04 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
34. I was in Mogadishu at the time.
 The reason the Ranger task force was in-country was because Aidid's militia had ambushed and killed 22 Pakistanis. As far as I heard from intel briefs, it was Aidid's militia that ambushed the Rangers, too. That part of Mogadishu was Aidid's turf. It sounds to me like MSNBC is pulling something out of their ass. 

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tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Sat Mar-20-04 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
20. Actually, after 22 Pakistanis got ambushed and killed ...
 Edited on Sat Mar-20-04 02:10 PM by gsh999
is when the US decided to send a Ranger battalion "plus" to Mogadishu to capture Aideed. I was with 10th Mountain at the time and we had operated in Mogadishu and all over Somalia for several months. We had established law and order in order for the humanitarian groups (the real heroes) to operate and distribute food. But the Rangers came in and thought we were below them, the Ranger soldier gods. They really riled up the population of Mogadishu and acted like they were on a training mission. They failed to coordinate with 10th Mountain and it really hurt them when a mission went bad. The biggest mistake the US made was sending General Garrison and his special ops troops into Mogadishu. They screwed the pooch.
I have great respecct for the Rangers and am Ranger-qualified myself, but they screwed up in Mogadishu. Of course, Clinton was raked over the coals for the "nation building", despite the fact that Bush 1 sent us there.

Oooops! Meant to reply to post #2 - later!

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tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Mon Dec-01-03 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. If you're talking about the Ranger debacle ...
 the Rangers were in no position to police up enemy bodies since they were in full retreat. So the Somalis had plenty of time to collect them up. I hate to inform you that the Rangers left bodies behind. We are trained to evacuate bodies ONLY IF it does not jeopardize accomplishing the mission. The mission after the choppers got shot down was hasty defense and get the hell out of there.
If we dominated the firefight in Iraq like the military is claiming, it would be very unlikely the resistance would have been able to collect ALL their bodies in the midst of a full retreat. 

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Marvelous_Smarty (201 posts)      Thu Jul-22-04 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Well, you have to consider it in context.
 The thread was about how the US Army would fare against Iran. Someone brought up the fact that morale was low and maybe fatigued from the war in Iraq. That is when I made my statement.

I served with the Rangers from 1987-1994. (Ranger Class 13-87). Participated in the First Gulf War.

 

tabasco  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jul-22-04 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
28. Class 1-87 here.
 Last tough class. Hahahha. Hoooah Bro.

 

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[The Village Idiot]

If his nephew were captured by the Islamonazis he would likely be beheaded. That doesn't seem to bother the DUmmies at all.

[MrsSmith]

My latest one was some guy in his 70s who was decrying "socialized medicine" in a bar near me. I asked him if he had a Medicare card. "Yeah," he said. I said, "I rest my case." He got it. I didn't have to remind him about his Social Security payments. Since I'm a white-haired old geezer on Social Security, I can beard these guys on their own crap.

Same Dim line...pay for it, but don't ever use it, because that makes you a socialist.        

[Vagabond]

From Tabasco's old posts:

So he is consistently inconsistent.  He led troops in Somalia, but was also a general's aid in Somalia, he was also in the tenth mountain, while in a Ranger Batallion at the same time.  Got it.  He may have served, but he's certainly not telling the truth about his service.

[crockspot]

galloglas  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-23-09 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. "they were set on fire and dragged through the streets." ??
 You sure you are not thinking of Fallujah ?? Regardless, whether it is Somalia or Fallujah, we were not aligned against signatories to the Geneva Convention.

And, BTW, what you refer to was not torture. It was the desecration of bodies after they were killed. Probably borrowed a page from the US Military's book on either Dresden or the napalm firebombing of innocents in Vietnam.

I suggest you google Gary Gordon and Randall Shugart, you "well informed" DUmbass. I'm not sure if they were set on fire, but they were certainly dragged through the streets.

[Vagabond]

I suggest you google Gary Gordon and Randall Shugart, you "well informed" DUmbass. I'm not sure if they were set on fire, but they were certainly dragged through the streets.

I also can't help but notice that it's okay if our enemies do it to us, according to the DUmmies.

[Airwolf]

So he is consistently inconsistent.  He led troops in Somalia, but was also a generals aid in Somalia, he was also in the tenth mountain, while in a Ranger Ba tallion at the same time.  Got it.  He may have served, but he's certainly not telling the truth about his service.

I was in the 10Th mountain before they went overseas to Somalia. IF they were as bad then as they were when I was there from 1988-1989 then the Rangers had ever right to think the 10Th stank like raw sewage. The leaders in my old unit were more interested in their careers then training troops.They had troops staying in the platoon area past 9pm to give them the word on the next days work. I guess the CO and the First SGT had no idea they had training schedules or how to follow them.

 Co C of the 2/87Th Inf walked their troops through a swamp on Ft Drum back in 1989 with the water temp lower then 32 degrees. After their little walk they failed to make sure the troops had all gotten out of the wet clothing they had on and by the next day they had close to 70% cold weather casualties in the company.  So If Tabasco was one those from way back then, then rather then be proud he should be ashamed.

BTW they ended up relieving the CO and the First SGT for dereliction of duty and the rest of the Leadership got letters of reprimand.  

[Vagabond]

I witnessed a Brigade in the 82nd do stuff just as stupid.  They actually killed a soldier.

I was in the cabal in Kuwait in 1999 supporting their three month rotation in the early summer.   We're talking killer temps in excess of 140 degrees farenheit.  They had some sort of requirement to do a time-limited force march every quarter, so they went ahead with it.  With absolutely not one bit of common sense safety measure having been applied.  All the soldiers had for water on this force march was the water in their canteens.  They had no safety vehicles following the troops, there were no checkpoints to make sure the troops were okay,  and there were no lister bags. I guess they were trying to prove how tough they were.  Stupid.

It was bound to happen, so it did.  One of the medics (Specialist, female type) collapsed and died of heat stroke a few hundred yards short of the finish line, of course her canteens were empty.  She was a really good person too, she was sweet on one of my troops, so I did know her a little.

A few days later, they held a formation to eulogize her.  When the commanding officer announced her as Specialist instead of Sergeant, it was probably a good thing none of the troops had bullets.  I do believe he would have been shot.  He announced that the reason they hadn't posthumoulsy awarded her the rank was that she didn't complete the march she died on.

I filed a report with the IG about the event, as I saw it.  It has always seemed to me that it got hushed.  Still, if you ask me her entire chain of command up through that colonel deserved to have been shot for that.

After that incident, it became one more factor in my decision to get out.  You can't tell when you will end up in a unit like that.

[USA4ME]

The commie russian primitive has an active imigination for a DUmmie.  But that's all it is.

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[Airwolf]

I witnessed a Brigade in the 82nd do stuff just as stupid.  They actually killed a soldier.

I was in the cabal in Kuwait in 1999 supporting their three month rotation in the early summer.   We're talking killer temps in excess of 140 degrees farenheit.  They had some sort of requirement to do a time-limited force march every quarter, so they went ahead with it.  With absolutely not one bit of common sense safety measure having been applied.  All the soldiers had for water on this force march was the water in their canteens.  They had no safety vehicles following the troops, there were no checkpoints to make sure the troops were okay,  and there were no lister bags. I guess they were trying to prove how tough they were.  Stupid.

It was bound to happen, so it did.  One of the medics (Specialist, female type) collapsed and died of heat stroke a few hundred yards short of the finish line, of course her canteens were empty.  She was a really good person too, she was sweet on one of my troops, so I did know her a little.

A few days later, they held a formation to eulogize her.  When the commanding officer announced her as Specialist instead of Sergeant, it was probably a good thing none of the troops had bullets.  I do believe he would have been shot.  He announced that the reason they hadn't posthumoulsy awarded her the rank was that she didn't complete the march she died on.

I filed a report with the IG about the event, as I saw it.  It has always seemed to me that it got hushed.  Still, if you ask me her entire chain of command up through that colonel deserved to have been shot for that.

After that incident, it became one more factor in my decision to get out.  You can't tell when you will end up in a unit like that.

Sad isn't it that common sense and the rules are tossed out just to make a point. When my unit in the 101st was sent to 29 Palms for desert training with the Marines we saw something that shouldn't have happened but did. We were there no more then 2-3 days when the day we got to use the showers was interupted by the sight of the San Deigo County Sherrifs Bell 222 and a crap load of cops,Ambulances and other emergency vehicles were seen as we passed by in jeeps. We later found out that the marines that were in that area before we moved in a week later had left one of their own in the desert ,by himself to watch a road . The rest of his unit we back to the rear with the gear and left his ass t ostand post. This was in July of 1986. By the time they had found him his unit had been in garrison for a week. They found him by following the trail of equipment he left behind as he tried to get back to his unit. Somewhere along the way the poor guy died.

[The Village Idiot]

didn't something like that happen at Ft Hood last year?