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Offline happy1ga

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Presidential Poison
« on: April 23, 2009, 01:26:01 PM »
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124044375842145565.html


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APRIL 23, 2009 Presidential Poison
His invitation to indict Bush officials will haunt Obama's Presidency.
 Tuesday, April 21, 2009, is the moment that any chance of a new era of bipartisan respect in Washington ended. By inviting the prosecution of Bush officials for their antiterror legal advice, President Obama has injected a poison into our politics that he and the country will live to regret.

 
AFP/Getty ImagesPolicy disputes, often bitter, are the stuff of democratic politics. Elections settle those battles, at least for a time, and Mr. Obama's victory in November has given him the right to change policies on interrogations, Guantanamo, or anything on which he can muster enough support. But at least until now, the U.S. political system has avoided the spectacle of a new Administration prosecuting its predecessor for policy disagreements. This is what happens in Argentina, Malaysia or Peru, countries where the law is treated merely as an extension of political power.


Interesting article. I almost want this all to blow up, but I still think this is going to make us much more vulnerable.
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 01:27:00 PM »
K-rap! I didn't mean to post this here, and I don't know how to move or delete it. Sorry, guys!
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 01:44:25 PM »
Quote from: happy1ga on April 23, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
K-rap! I didn't mean to post this here, and I don't know how to move or delete it. Sorry, guys!

Oh, just visit the dump and find a thread where they're discussing this. I'm sure it exists. They'll be going batshit crazy and your article will fit in this section.

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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 01:53:26 PM »
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This is what happens in Argentina, Malaysia or Peru, countries where the law is treated merely as an extension of political power.

Not to mention countries like the USSR, China or other dictatorial countries.  Who knows, maybe after the 2010 elections, a Republican majority may choose to investigate the 0Bama administration/Pelosi/Reid for the damages done to the country.
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 02:08:14 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on April 23, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
Not to mention countries like the USSR, China or other dictatorial countries.  Who knows, maybe after the 2010 elections, a Republican majority may choose to investigate the 0Bama administration/Pelosi/Reid for the damages done to the country.


I hope not, let the Dimwits stoop to Bannana Republic politics.
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 02:11:07 PM »
Quote from: happy1ga on April 23, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
K-rap! I didn't mean to post this here, and I don't know how to move or delete it. Sorry, guys!


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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 02:15:07 PM »
Great article.  I read it earlier today.

Do Dems really believe that the American people will become angry at the way the Bush Administration handled terrorists in the war on terror?   The only ones who do now are a small group of anti-American kooks who can’t see beyond their blind hated of America and the Constitution of the USA. If it’s blood they want they need to be careful, it very well might end up being their own.

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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 03:06:41 PM »
Quote from: happy1ga on April 23, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
K-rap! I didn't mean to post this here, and I don't know how to move or delete it. Sorry, guys!
where did you want it posted?
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 07:33:56 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on April 23, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
Great article.  I read it earlier today.

Do Dems really believe that the American people will become angry at the way the Bush Administration handled terrorists in the war on terror?   The only ones who do now are a small group of anti-American kooks who can’t see beyond their blind hated of America and the Constitution of the USA. If it’s blood they want they need to be careful, it very well might end up being their own.

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Hi,

If the libs continue on this path, some Republican leadership will have to emerge.  The story about discovering and stopping a planned attack on Los Angeles and more will eventually be heard by the population.  Cheney wants all the memos released that shows the techinques were very effective and saved a good number of American lives.  Someone in the Republican party, and I am not sure who it will be just yet, will basically have to blow up and say enough is enough and demand media attention......setting them up for a 2012 presidential bid if they want it.  When the public realizes just how close they came to more attacks and they were thwarted it will swing a whole lot of folks in the middle with good old common sense.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Stormin Norman came out of the woodwork?  Or Tommy Frank for that matter....

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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 07:38:49 PM »
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When the public realizes just how close they came to more attacks and they were thwarted it will swing a whole lot of folks in the middle with good old common sense.

I hope you are correct 5412,  but I will remain sceptical until I see more "Americans" actually begin to wake up.

Obama getting elected merely showed me how utterly content some folks are to remain ignorant and apathetic.
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 07:59:52 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on April 23, 2009, 07:38:49 PM
I hope you are correct 5412,  but I will remain sceptical until I see more "Americans" actually begin to wake up.

Obama getting elected merely showed me how utterly content some folks are to remain ignorant and apathetic.

I am inclined to agree with you on that point.  I still feel that the McCain nomination was a setup with a lot of democrats crossing over to pick the weakest candidate.  Hopefully they will change the rules on the primary or we will see it again.  They way some of the districts go, they likely voted twice in the primary, once on each side of the aisle.  I was not the least bit thrilled with McCain and closed my checkbook.  I probably got two dozen requests for money and each and every time I sent it back saying when they are ready to nominate a true conservative I am ready to start contributing once again.  I did send a few dollars to the Florida Republican Party and that was it.  The money I normally donated to the RNC was sent to the NRA instead, figured it would do more good.

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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 08:07:54 PM »
Quote from: 5412 on April 23, 2009, 07:59:52 PM
I am inclined to agree with you on that point.  I still feel that the McCain nomination was a setup with a lot of democrats crossing over to pick the weakest candidate.  Hopefully they will change the rules on the primary or we will see it again.  They way some of the districts go, they likely voted twice in the primary, once on each side of the aisle.  I was not the least bit thrilled with McCain and closed my checkbook.  I probably got two dozen requests for money and each and every time I sent it back saying when they are ready to nominate a true conservative I am ready to start contributing once again.  I did send a few dollars to the Florida Republican Party and that was it.  The money I normally donated to the RNC was sent to the NRA instead, figured it would do more good.

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I haven't given a single dime to the RNC for over a decade.  Nor will I untill they start actually acting in a "conservative" manner.

I agree with you about McCain being a "setup" candidate.  But each state does have the right to set their individual rules concerning the way they conduct their primary elections.

One could make a 10th amendment argument about it.
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 08:23:21 PM »
Someone needs to teach Obama about the Law of Unintended Consequences...because whatever he does to Bush's Administration....may be done to his as soon as he leaves office in 3 years.
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Re: Presidential Poison
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 10:44:24 PM »
Quote from: Hawkgirl on April 23, 2009, 08:23:21 PM
Someone needs to teach Obama about the Law of Unintended Consequences...because whatever he does to Bush's Administration....may be done to his as soon as he leaves office in 3 years.

Hi,

Right on.  I find it hard to believe that they overlooked the political consequences. 

Let me add to that.  I wrote and taught a module on problem solving for years.  One of the tests of a decision is this.  "Look for the effects of your decisions, sometime you can cause a bigger problem." 

Quick example.  In 1963 part of the Lyndon Johnson, Great Society was to help the children.  He decided that when an unwed mother bore a child that the government would give the mother money because the poor child would suffer due to no fault on their part.  Great concept however the effect of that decision was he set up a system to incentivize out of wedlock birth, destory the family units of many folks and now we have inner city schools with dropout rates of well over 50%

The bigger problem that BO is causing goes to the core of our national security.  I learned tonight that all the crap about waterboarding is so out of proportion it is stupid.  There were exactly three, and only three, "high value" folks that actually were waterboarded and one of them divulged information about an Al Queida cell in LA and the government stepped in and prevented another attack on the US soil.

Now if we cannot use those techniques, or folks are afraid to, we will miss out on a lot of intelligence information we could have gathered which could save thousands of lives.

One guest on a show tonight made a good point.  When in battle, the enemy in captivity many times is worth more to you alive than dead because you can interrogate them and gather valuable intellignece, data that can save many lives.  If the soldier knows that cannot happen, then they will just shoot them all and there will be no prisoners and that is actually not a good thing.

I think the BO folks do not have a clue about what they are doing.  You can apply that one question about the effects of their decisions to most everything that has gone on so far and the public is smart enough to understand the long term damage he is doing to our country....even if they don't get it.

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