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Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« on: April 20, 2009, 04:21:00 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30311735?GT1=43001

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Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
Candidate for mayor saw value of home tumble as payment set to rise

DETROIT - It was their dream home, a two-story, four-bedroom colonial in one of Detroit's nicest and most stable neighborhoods.

But then, one day in December, City Councilman Kwame Kenyatta and his wife packed up their belongings, locked the doors, mailed in the keys and walked away — adding another vacant house to the thousands in a city hard hit by the nation's mortgage crisis.

"We're already underwater when it comes to what we're paying on the house versus what the house is worth," Kenyatta said.

Around the country, the practice, sometimes referred to as "mortgage walking" or "jingle mail," appears to be growing. But for Kenyatta, the decision could do more than hurt his credit rating.

It could damage his bid for mayor of Detroit this summer, particularly since he has been one of the city's most vocal supporters of measures to improve neighborhoods and clean up blight.

"If I'm going to follow you, you need to be a leader," said Patricia Dixon, a former neighbor of Kenyatta's. "You don't show leadership by walking away from your home in the city of Detroit. You have vandalism where they find out the houses are vacant. You have people stealing fireplaces."

Kenyatta, a Democrat, is not the only elected official facing mortgage trouble. The Wayne County prosecutor's Detroit home has gone into foreclosure. And California Rep. Laura Richardson nearly lost her home before she paid up delinquent home loans.....
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 04:27:19 PM »
I don't see how it could hurt him, he has a pseudo-African name and a total disregard for his own legal obligations, he therefore seems to be outstandingly qualified for that particular office.
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 04:29:21 PM »
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Bought for $225,000, the home nose-dived in value to $100,000, according to Kenyatta. Its manageable $2,600-a-month mortgage soon was about to soar about $1,000.

What the ??????     How the hell can he have a $3,600 mortgage on a $225,000 loan?  

Ah, but look:

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About five months ago, the Kenyattas moved to a rented condo on the city's east side. It has three bedrooms, four baths, a whirlpool bath, finished basement and garage. The rent is less than their old mortgage. (In Detroit, City Council members are elected from the city at large, not from districts, so leaving the neighborhood does not affect Kenyatta's eligibility to serve.)

Why do I get the feeling that the councilor is getting some rent padding here for much nicer digs so he jumped ship?






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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2009, 04:31:41 PM »
What the ??????     How the hell can he have a $3,600 mortgage on a $225,000 loan?

You read too quickly, madam.

It's the franksolich disease, reading something too quickly.

The $3600 is the future monthly mortgage payment, not the size of the mortgage.
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 04:35:36 PM »
You read too quickly, madam.

It's the franksolich disease, reading something too quickly.

The $3600 is the future monthly mortgage payment, not the size of the mortgage.

I did mean mortgage payment,  there  is no way it is that high unless the real estate taxes in Detroit are through the roof.   


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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2009, 04:37:21 PM »
I did mean mortgage payment,  there  is no way it is that high unless the real estate taxes in Detroit are through the roof.   



Well, I wonder what property taxes are.

It blows me away, this idea that an "average" house is $5,000, down from $66,000 a few years ago, or whatever the number was, that was quoted.

I can't imagine a house for $5,000.

But then and again, I don't know Detroit.
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2009, 04:53:58 PM »
Hmmm....

My house now appraises for about 20K less than I bought it for in 2000, yet I somehow manage to pay the mortgage on time each month.

What am I doing wrong?

Maybe I just didn't do enough creative financing, thus putting myself in an upside down ARM?

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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2009, 04:54:05 PM »
I don't see how it could hurt him, he has a pseudo-African name and a total disregard for his own legal obligations, he therefore seems to be outstandingly qualified for that particular office.

Abso-frickin'-lutely correct.

All that matters is that the guy is black. They will all line up like lemmings and vote appropriately. If you've never seen the inner workings of the city of Detroit and Wayne County (I have), you couldn't believe the level of nepotism and corruption that is fairly routine.

Even though Kwame Kilpatrick (funny how those names seem to ring a bell with each other) resigned as mayor of Detroit last year, the voters have very, very short memories.   :popcorn:     

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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2009, 05:04:10 PM »
he will be a leftist hero. the motorless city blog will make him a saint

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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2009, 05:05:41 PM »
Why was their mortgage jumping by 1/3? Secondly, what does the current value of a house have to do with mortgage payments which were based on the original loan or possibly second/third mortgages?


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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2009, 05:22:32 PM »
Well, I wonder what property taxes are.

It blows me away, this idea that an "average" house is $5,000, down from $66,000 a few years ago, or whatever the number was, that was quoted.

I can't imagine a house for $5,000.

But then and again, I don't know Detroit.

The property taxes in Detroit are astonishingly high, as is home owners insurance.  I can easily see a monthly mortgage payment which includes property taxes, insurance, escrow fees, and potentially PMI being that high for a house of that value in Detroit for someone with poor credit.  Ludicrous, absolutely.  Asinine to agree to such terms, certainly.  

The property tax situation in Detroit is staggering.  A significant portion of the city is abandoned, with all records lost of who owns the property.  The wealthiest area of the city, the central business district has been given staggering exemptions in order to maintain businesses and semi-luxury condos and lofts for the elite.  In the neighborhoods, a large percentage of the populace refuses to pay property taxes or pays off the city cashiers office to state that they were paid.  Which leaves deplorably high taxes for the few whom are honest enough to pay.    

Detroit's leadership has refused to modernize or digitalize their property tax collection, so that it can be properly managed.  This likely stems from the fact that numerous members in city government have been discovered to not be paying any property taxes at all for years at a time.  It's rather common knowledge that a few bribes here or there can make property tax bills disappear.  Others know that if you just don't pay them, the chances of the city discovering that in their filing system are next to nil.  

The Wayne county commissioner, which manages the area outside of Detroit has offered to take over the collection of property taxes for the city.  The city has declined.  

Quite honestly, you actually will see homes "advertised" for less than a grand within Detroit.  With a budget of $5,000 you'd be amazed at the selection of homes within the city.  Some are actually breathtakingly beautiful French Tudors, English Manors, or even modern town homes which have never had occupants!  

A steady stream of investors have been piling in from around the world, literally, ever since the low home prices started making the world news.  There are countless stories of them buying sight unseen, and becoming shocked with what owning property in the city really means.

Generally your only real chances of making a hefty return is to sell it to a foolish foreign investor, insurance job, or convert it into a Federally subsidized rental unit.  Which of course is a horribly dishonest scam in it's self.

When the average home was selling for the reported $66,000... those were often scams too.
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2009, 08:49:21 AM »
What the ??????     How the hell can he have a $3,600 mortgage on a $225,000 loan?  

Ah, but look:

Why do I get the feeling that the councilor is getting some rent padding here for much nicer digs so he jumped ship?







How the hell did it get to be $2600 on $225K?  Right now I'm paying over $1000/month less than that for a mortgage worth closer to 300K than 225K.  Even if you add in NH's ungodly property taxes and my insurance, my total nut is still under $2K a month.
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2009, 09:57:14 AM »
Well, I wonder what property taxes are.

It blows me away, this idea that an "average" house is $5,000, down from $66,000 a few years ago, or whatever the number was, that was quoted.

I can't imagine a house for $5,000.

But then and again, I don't know Detroit.
Property taxes are generally assessed on the value of the home. If the home value decreases assessed taxed to correspondingly decrease as well.

At least that's how it happens in the real world. Mine did. Detroit? I'm not so sure about.
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2009, 10:18:44 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30311735?GT1=43001

Oh my.

And the reader isn't informed of party affiliation until paragraph seven.


Serves him right for buying more home than one could afford, and then shirking the responsibilities of paying for it...He is the problem...
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2009, 11:47:17 AM »
Property taxes are generally assessed on the value of the home. If the home value decreases assessed taxed to correspondingly decrease as well.

At least that's how it happens in the real world. Mine did. Detroit? I'm not so sure about.

Holy smokes--tax rates in Detroit are friggin INSANE.  It looks like on the order of $6 per every $1K of assessed value.  Now keep in mind that the assessed value is only 50 percent of the market value, but even still, assuming an assessed value of $112,500 initially, he was looking at property taxes of over $7K a year.

Even so, that doesn't explain how his mortgage is $2600 on a 225K house even if it's an impound account.  It just doesn't make sense.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090222/NEWS06/902220363/1008/Many+seek+to+appeal+their+real+estate+tax+bills
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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 12:29:49 PM »
Holy smokes--tax rates in Detroit are friggin INSANE.  It looks like on the order of $6 per every $1K of assessed value.  Now keep in mind that the assessed value is only 50 percent of the market value, but even still, assuming an assessed value of $112,500 initially, he was looking at property taxes of over $7K a year.

Even so, that doesn't explain how his mortgage is $2600 on a 225K house even if it's an impound account.  It just doesn't make sense.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090222/NEWS06/902220363/1008/Many+seek+to+appeal+their+real+estate+tax+bills

Maybe he took out a second mortgage to be able to by the condo.

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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 01:34:12 PM »
Holy smokes--tax rates in Detroit are friggin INSANE.  It looks like on the order of $6 per every $1K of assessed value.  Now keep in mind that the assessed value is only 50 percent of the market value, but even still, assuming an assessed value of $112,500 initially, he was looking at property taxes of over $7K a year.

Even so, that doesn't explain how his mortgage is $2600 on a 225K house even if it's an impound account.  It just doesn't make sense.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090222/NEWS06/902220363/1008/Many+seek+to+appeal+their+real+estate+tax+bills

Thats why an area the size of San Francisco is literally abandoned. 15,000 or so homes were left to rot by their previous owners for a very good reason apparently.

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Re: Detroit councilman walks away from mortgage
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 02:04:03 PM »
Well, what I can't understand is how places come up with "assessed" values.  It can be as little as 10 percent of a market value to over 100 percent in some cases.  Mine, given when I purchased and the subsequent downturn, is probably over-assessed, or at least I don't expect the assessed value to increased when we do it again (most towns in NH do an assessment every five years--and most divide the town into sections so that someone is getting revalued every year.)

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