primitive women go gynaecological, again

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5469418

Oh my.

NashVegas  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-16-09 12:42 PM
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Home Births 'As Safe As Hospital'

The largest study of its kind has found that for low-risk women, giving birth at home is as safe as doing so in hospital with a midwife.

Research from the Netherlands - which has a high rate of home births - found no difference in death rates of either mothers or babies in 530,000 births.

Home births have long been debated amid concerns about their safety.

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The research was carried out in the Netherlands after figures showed the country had one of the highest rates in Europe of babies dying during or just after birth.

It was suggested that home births could be a factor, as Dutch women are able and encouraged to choose this option. One third do so.

But a comparison of "low-risk" women who planned to give birth at home with those who planned to give birth in hospital with a midwife found no difference in death or serious illness among either baby or mother.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7998417.stm

Imagine the change in hospital bills.

Lyric  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-16-09 12:43 PM
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1. Yuck. No way, not for me.

I'd rather stay at the hospital with the anesthesiologist and the epidural, thanks anyway.

Oh, but wait and see what happens if Pa Kettle's health care plans get approved.

No hospital, no anaesthesiologist, for the lyrical primitive then.

I bet; I've seen what happens about childbirth, under free medical care for all.

enlightenment  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-16-09 12:56 PM
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9. No offense (really), but there's the problem in a nutshell.

Birth is not a medical condition to be treated, but the medical community has managed to convince women that it is one. The golden ticket is the promise of 'no pain'.

Lyric  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-16-09 01:01 PM
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12. I don't think it's anyone else's business.

It's my body and my pain--I'll treat it or not treat it as I wish. I am not making that decision because I think that birth is medical problem; I'm making it because it hurts like hell and there's an easy to way to make it NOT hurt. Really, we mothers and mothers-to-be aren't just a bunch of poor brainwashed morons.

It's a very big bonfire.  And franksolich being male, has no idea.

However, the warped primitive, who never disappoints, doesn't disappoint:

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-16-09 03:54 PM
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88. Normal births in healthy women would have the same statistical outcome no matter where they happened. However, once you start to throw in the myriad complications, that's where the hospital births rack up impressive safety records over out of hospital births.

The main advantages a hospital offers over a home birth are epidural anesthesia for the mom and the availability of a physician and operating room should something start to go terribly wrong.

It's odd, how the warped primitive and franksolich think alike, in nonpolitical matters.  In political matters, the warped primitive doesn't know shit, but damn, she's pretty good at these other things.

datasuspect  (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-16-09 04:20 PM
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94. i was born in the backseat of a greyhound bus

JVS  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-16-09 11:01 PM
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160. I expect the insurance industry to pick up on this in order to avoid providing coverage.

I expect that if Pa Kettle's plans for free medical care for all get approved, the government's going to pick up on this to avoiding having to pay for it.

[Flame]

Ya know, there really is no such thing as "pain free" child birth.  REDUCED pain, maybe.  But even if you are totally knocked out, there is pain involved afterwards.

That being said, I have had 3 kids...#1 was brutal...long labor, hours upon hours of pushing.  I had Stadol during the later parts of labor, but before the pushing part.  All it did was make me feel loopy, but I WAS able to steal 60-180 seconds of sleep at a time.

#2...piece of cake.  Hd  stadol with him, as well, but had I known how fast it would go, I would have skipped it.  Water broke, I was at 6 cm; got the stadol...he was born 30 minutes later.

#3...both hard and easy, in different ways.  Was induced...lasted 2 days...coming up on day 3, I opted for an epi, because I was SO tired, and just didn't feel like playing hero.  Got the epi, pain was diminished (notice, not GONE).  EASY delivery at that point (started pushing, and he was born 4 minutes later...woot!).  Best part of the epidural, IMO, was AFTER, when they come in and mash on your abdomen to make sure your uterus is retracting ,etc...didn't feel a thing!  Hurt like hell with the first 2!


I know childbirth is a natural thing, not a medical condition, but I appreciated having the Drs, etc there, who knew more about what could go wrong that I do!

[Maluhia]

Geeze... there was NO difference in death rates? Maybe the Netherlands just have really bad doctors.... ??

I know if I ever have a baby, there sure as heck better be a bunch of doctors around in case anything goes wrong!

[delilahmused]

Geeze... there was NO difference in death rates? Maybe the Netherlands just have really bad doctors.... ??

I know if I ever have a baby, there sure as heck better be a bunch of doctors around in case anything goes wrong!

If the births in the study were normal there's no reason to think there would be a difference. Physician competence would come into play if something unusual happened. Otherwise, we're just talking about a pair of hands to catch the baby on the way out.

Cindie