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primitive women go gynaecological
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:30:54 PM »
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Okay, this is a mystery to me, being a man and all that.

I'm willing to take her word for it, the comments of the warped primitive at this bonfire, because the warped primitive hasn't yet let me down.  But as for the other primitives, even though women, I'm not so sure.

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Mind_your_head  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 08:44 PM
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Episiotomy......

My niece recently delivered her first child. I was 'horrified' to hear that they didn't do an episiotomy. They just let her tear. That is the "new normal" I'm told.

I'm horrified. It doesn't make sense (to me).

It seems like a calculated cut would be 'better' than a random 'tear'. The last time I gave birth was 15 years ago. I know things have changed, BUT.....

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Neoma  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-03-09 08:47 PM
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1. Uhm, just.

OW, that sounds like it'd hurt.

Yeah.

Which brings up a question from franksolich; one can only speculate, as the main principal in the whole affair is long gone from this world, and cannot illuminate. 

franksolich arrived a couple of days too early, coming out of a middle-aged mother who had borne several children, after which there had been an interval of many non-childbearing years, until franksolich.  franksolich weighed 6 pounds, 1 ounce, at birth.  Between the first labor pains (I know this stuff, because the maternal ancestress, being a registered nurse, always kept copious notes) and the ultimate result there passed a mere 19 minutes.

I was a piece of cake for her, right?  Not causing any problems?

Just curious.

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CaliforniaPeggy  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-03-09 08:49 PM
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2. That's strange...

Was she delivered by a midwife? Not that they are a problem, but perhaps they felt she wouldn't tear.

I have not heard about this "new normal." There is no question that a straight cut is easier to fix than a random tear.

But if the birth is handled carefully, sometimes the episiotomy can be avoided.

I'd like to hear more about the birth's details. Her position in the bed, how quickly the child came, like that...

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Mind_your_head  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 09:12 PM
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10. The baby was delivered at a (nameless) ' Center for Women's Health' in Atlanta

it's unofficial nickname is the "baby factory".

I'm sure that their IS expertise in a place that has "seen it all", but still I'm horrified at the concept of the 'baby factory' AND the lack of an episiotomoy being done (cost cutting??? = no 'cutting')

Women often/usually bear the load of unfair practices.

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BlueGADawg (23 posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 10:29 PM
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13. I bet that it starts with North-

and we switched doctors and hospitals for that very reason (the baby factory) when my wife had our first. She wanted to try natural and you would have thought that we were some kind of aliens. They only want to induce you when it's at the doctors convenience for you to give birth. We ended up at Piedmont and had the best experience possible with both of our kids.

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Mind_your_head  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 11:39 PM
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15. You are correct in your assumption.

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pnwmom  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 08:49 PM
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3. The policy changed more than 20 years ago, in my area.

I needed one with my first, because it was an emergency forceps delivery (the heart rate slowed). But not with the second or third. And I just ended up with an easily repaired natural tear with one of them.

The research showed that the calculated cuts actually resulted in bigger and harder-to-repair tears than if you allowed the perineum to stretch naturally. That's why they don't do episiotomies as much anymore.

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annabanana  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-03-09 08:50 PM
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4. I had an episiotomy. . 

and I seem to remember that, what with everything else going on at the time.. it wouldn't have made much difference either way.

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TNDemo (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 08:55 PM
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5. I had a fourth degree episiotomy and a tear would have been preferable to heal (if it did not extend as far as the 4th). I had a section later and that was like a day at the beach. This just makes me hurt all over again talking about it.

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enlightenment  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 10:07 PM
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12. I tore.

47 stitches (inside and out) . . . I would have infinitely preferred a cut.

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TNDemo (1000+ posts)      Sat Apr-04-09 08:52 AM
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17. I guess it is depending on how big it is.

I have no idea how many stitches I had but my husband said they were sure doing a lot of sewing. The episiotomy ripped open a couple of weeks later. I kept calling and telling the doctor I felt like everything was falling out and he told me I needed to exercise more.

I went back at six weeks and it turns out it had all ripped open, my rectum was open into my vagina (TMI, I know) and he cauterized the whole thing (no anesthesia) and I about became unglued. I was really furious thinking about it later because I had to drive my baby across town after this and I was in some severe pain.

Then he did the cauterization every two weeks for several months trying to get all the skin to heal together. He left me a mess. I should have just had surgery or something. Actually I should have gone to another doctor but I didn't know better at the time. But the section was fabbo - no peeing and pooping out the incision and no labor.

Oh my.  One hopes the above primitive isn't in favor of free medical care for all, because what I've seen in places with free medical care for all, her experience would be one of the pleasanter ones.

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Thirtieschild  (845 posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 09:00 PM
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6. Neither tore nor had an episiotomy with my third

I did the week's grocery shopping when she was three days old. (She's now 46.) Huge, huge difference.

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netania99  (105 posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 09:01 PM
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7. I was told that a tear heals better and faster than a cut. I guess raggedy meshes together faster than straight? Anyway, I went with the tear and I was fine. This was 15 years ago.

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trotsky  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-04-09 07:34 AM
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16. My wife and I used the midwife services at our hospital, and they said the same thing.

Fortunately my wife didn't tear, but the reasoning made sense.

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Barack_America  (1000+ posts)        Mon Apr-06-09 06:51 PM
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24. Yes, tears are now thought to heal better and faster, but can be more difficult to stitch...

Which may be why some doctors still favor them.

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BrklynLiberal  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-03-09 09:02 PM
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8. I was under the impression that episiotomies were only done when it became obvious that there might be a tear.

I have heard there are techniques to aid the stretching so as to avoid the tear.

I have had only C-section, so cannot speak from experience. But I know that I did not have to sit on an inner tube for weeks.

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Kali  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 09:06 PM
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9. midwife/homebirths here

tried to stretch/go slow - tore (not that I noticed) and healed fine

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customerserviceguy  (1000+ posts)      Fri Apr-03-09 11:27 PM
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14. I just remember thirty one years ago when my first son was born, my ex didn't get an episiotomy, and it took a very long time for the doc to sew things back up. She would have went for an episiotomy on the second and third child, but it wasn't necessary.

It's certainly something that a woman and her doctor need to discuss in depth, rather than wait for the moment to decide definitively.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-04-09 02:10 PM
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19. The tears are generally superficial and heal quickly

They're also a normal part of the birth process. They're slightly worsened by the lithotomy position, that position of a mother on her back with her feet up in the air, convenient for the doc but not for the mom or her baby.

What was barbaric was slicing her open and then stitching her together tightly on the theory that the husband wanted a really tight vagina. To hell with her enjoyment or even comfort.

I'm delighted to see the episiotomy go away. It caused a lot more problems than it ever solved.

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Why Syzygy  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-04-09 06:55 PM
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20. You may be right.

But, most women in Ethiopia don't have that choice.

For the record, Ethiopia "officially" has free medical care for all.

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Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Sat Apr-04-09 09:39 PM
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21. Fistulas happen most frequently in mothers who haven't matured sufficiently to be able to bear children safely. Statistically, the safest years for childbirth are 18-26, although the 18 can be stretched downward to 16 in some women who mature and reach their final height and weight earlier.

Unfortunately, women are still girl children when they are married off in much of the world and cycstocele and rectocele are all too common. When they occur, the child/woman is largely banished from her home, the smell being too overpowering for the husband's family to tolerate.

Episiotomy prevents neither. It's done mainly to avoid vaginal tearing and because of the male prejudice that a vagina that has stretched temporarily in childbirth is never going to be much fun for a husband. It is overused and mostly unnecessary.

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Barack_America  (1000+ posts)        Mon Apr-06-09 06:50 PM
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23. It is the new normal.

Studies have shown that an episiotomy doesn't necessarily prevent tears and, in many cases, leads to deeper and more serious tears than natural tears.

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moc  (1000+ posts)      Tue Apr-07-09 04:36 PM
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25. Actually, an episiotomy increases your risk for higher degree tears.

Perineal massage during labor can reduce tearing, but generally tearing is less risky than episiotomy.

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Mamacrat (98 posts)      Tue Apr-07-09 07:03 PM
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26. Read that during my pregnancy.

I ended up being induced early (diabetes, high blood pressure), which led to an emergency C-section. However, I'd read that the tearing would heal better, so I had planned to go that route. I can remember how it was worded, but something like it was a more natural "pattern" (can't think of the word), so it would heal better and possibly cause less problems later. Either one sounds horrible, though. I think I read all of this in a book on the Bradley method, although we did not have anyone in our area that follows that method. I think they said using Epsom salts on the area prior to delivery for a period of time would help prepare it to stretch.

All that said, I do not remember the pain from my C-section anymore. I guess that's how we are prepared to have more children if we want!

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csibona (15 posts)     Fri Apr-10-09 11:22 AM
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30. c-sections don't sound like much fun either

Yeah, I wondered about that too.

My mother had my younger brother two years after myself, and he was delivered via Caesarean section.  From examining old photographs, that's about the time her hair changed to grey.

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Nikia (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-08-09 09:22 PM
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28. I delivered an almost nine pound baby without one

I had some second degree tearing. An episiotomy is a surgical second degree tear. The tearing that I had to that degree though was a smaller area than a usual episiotomy though. My doctor didn't have any trouble stitching the tear even though it wasn't calculated.

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Horse with no Name  (1000+ posts)        Fri Apr-10-09 03:23 AM
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29. Many times the practitioner will massage the perineum and help it to stretch

It is effective in most cases instead of the routine episiotomy.

That being said--I had routine episiotomies with both of my kids and everything went fine--didn't have any problems.
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Re: primitive women go gynaecological
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2009, 07:38:53 PM »
At least the thread title warned me to reload the IV of brain bleach.

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2009, 07:40:23 PM »
At least the thread title warned me to reload the IV of brain bleach.

In my case, I can't say the same; being what I am, it's all very abstract, no blood and muss and fuss and pain at all, because I can't "relate" to the words.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2009, 08:28:57 PM »
I was a 9 pounder when I was born and was born at home (only because my mom waited too long to go to the hospital) and I doubt my dad, who delivered me, performed an episiotomy on my mother.   :hyper:

Fast forward 23 years later and I had a 10 pounder and honestly cannot remember if I had one or not - considering that I had just given natural birth after 23 hours of labor to a 10 POUND BABY. 

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2009, 10:49:40 PM »
I was a 9 pounder when I was born and was born at home (only because my mom waited too long to go to the hospital) and I doubt my dad, who delivered me, performed an episiotomy on my mother.   :hyper:

Fast forward 23 years later and I had a 10 pounder and honestly cannot remember if I had one or not - considering that I had just given natural birth after 23 hours of labor to a 10 POUND BABY. 
I always knew...the difference was the line of stitches, or the lack thereof.  2 with, 3 without...and no stitches at all on the 3 without. 

frank, I find the OP amusing because "the hippies" in the 60's and 70's were the original "back to nature" birthers...they pushed for home births and more natural delivery places than was then normal.  To see the DUmp arguing over something their "ancestors" actual accomplished is priceless.   :lmao:
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2009, 01:22:56 AM »
My first question is, WHY ARE THEY DISCUSSING THIS?? :-) As for the OP, the hospital to which she refers, is most likely Northside Women's Center, rated one of the best in the nation. I had two natural births, zero drugs, and on the first, I had severe tearing. Second, the epistiotomy. My daughter just gave birth 3 yrs ago, and then again a yr ago, and they asked her what she wanted. I know most midwives these days tend to go with tear, so do nurse practioners. I think it depends on how big the babies are. We have the 6 lb XX ounces kind, so it is not so difficult, I guess. The big ones, like the 10 pounders, my guess is they do whatever seems to work best to get them out. But Northside is one of the most up-to-date hospitals, and has some of the best doctors around. Hard to believe anyone being too unhappy there. I have never heard anything but really good stuff about it. My daughter would have went there, but the drive was too far. Luckily, Atlanta is full of excellent hospitals.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2009, 07:22:20 AM »
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Which brings up a question from franksolich; one can only speculate, as the main principal in the whole affair is long gone from this world, and cannot illuminate. 

franksolich arrived a couple of days too early, coming out of a middle-aged mother who had borne several children, after which there had been an interval of many non-childbearing years, until franksolich.  franksolich weighed 6 pounds, 1 ounce, at birth.  Between the first labor pains (I know this stuff, because the maternal ancestress, being a registered nurse, always kept copious notes) and the ultimate result there passed a mere 19 minutes.

I was a piece of cake for her, right?  Not causing any problems?

Just curious.



It depends. Very likely, that was a pretty intense 19 minutes!

I had fairly easy labors with both my sons. The early hours of my first labor were spent at home, lying on the couch. We went to the hospital at about 5:30 a.m., and my son was born at 7:00 a.m. I did have an episiotomy, which healed with no problems.

Two years later, my second son was born at 8:00 p.m--a mere three and a half hours after my doctor told me that he didn't think that what I was experiencing was labor! I chose to go to the hospital anyway, and he shrugged and said that if nothing happened they would just send me home "in one piece." It wasn't too long after I got to the hospital that they called him, and he began seeing his patients in the ER just to be closer, in case he was needed. I was fully dilated, and the baby and I were both ready for his arrival, but I felt no urge to push. When the doc FINALLY finished with his patients and came up to the birthing room, he broke my water, and my second son came in with the tide--one push. (It was a heckuva push.) There was no time to do an episiotomy, and I did have some tearing, but I healed up just fine.

In answer to your question, there can be a huge variation in the experience, regardless of the length of the labor. (Keep in mind, also, that in the retelling of a birth experience, there is probably some editorializing!)


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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2009, 08:17:09 AM »
It depends. Very likely, that was a pretty intense 19 minutes!

I suppose the reason it wasn't a big deal because of "location."  My father, a registered nurse, was also hospital administrator, and my mother as a registered nurse worked at the hospital too.

We moved to another town when I was still an infant, and so I have no memory of the home there, although I've seen it many times since.

The house was (is) located right next door to the hospital.  The only thing separating the house and hospital was (is) a two-car-width driveway, and so even if the labor had been shorter, it would've been no big deal, just a couple of seconds away from the hospital.

I always thought that would be a prime residential spot, living in a house next door to a hospital; if something ever happened, help is just a few seconds away.
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2009, 08:40:30 AM »
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I always thought that would be a prime residential spot, living in a house next door to a hospital; if something ever happened, help is just a few seconds away.

I can think of a few disadvantages, too!

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2009, 09:24:36 AM »
My first question is, WHY ARE THEY DISCUSSING THIS?? :-) As for the OP, the hospital to which she refers, is most likely Northside Women's Center, rated one of the best in the nation. I had two natural births, zero drugs, and on the first, I had severe tearing. Second, the epistiotomy. My daughter just gave birth 3 yrs ago, and then again a yr ago, and they asked her what she wanted. I know most midwives these days tend to go with tear, so do nurse practioners. I think it depends on how big the babies are. We have the 6 lb XX ounces kind, so it is not so difficult, I guess. The big ones, like the 10 pounders, my guess is they do whatever seems to work best to get them out. But Northside is one of the most up-to-date hospitals, and has some of the best doctors around. Hard to believe anyone being too unhappy there. I have never heard anything but really good stuff about it. My daughter would have went there, but the drive was too far. Luckily, Atlanta is full of excellent hospitals.

My wife had an episotomy with the first baby, she was 7 lbs, 7 oz.  There was no additional tearing, and she healed up fine.  She didn't have one for the second one, and he was 9 lbs, 8 oz.  She had what the doctor termed a class 2 tear on that one.  The first one was induced at my wife's request so she would have her doctor at the hospital.  She went into natural labor with the second one.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2009, 07:51:20 PM »
I'm gonna chime in and say that a C-section isn't so bad! I wish someone had warned me about the vomiting, but I didn't have much pain. It was definitely weird-I felt like my insides were going to fall out of this incision the first time I stood up-but the plusses definitely outweighed the minuses.

Episiotomy talk makes my ladybits hurt.  :(

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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2009, 09:09:30 PM »
I thought these gawddamm leftists were into this natural shit?
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2009, 09:13:04 PM »
I thought these gawddamm leftists were into this natural shit?

I thought they were against having children.

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2009, 10:04:01 PM »
I can think of a few disadvantages, too!

It depends upon how one defines "hospital."

For me, growing up in central and western Nebraska, I think of 40-50 bed establishments, all on one level, usually located in a residential neighborhood.  The sort of place with a lot of grass on which kids can during the summer play baseball; where there's a "back porch" for patients to be wheeled outside to enjoy the weather; where the windows are near ground-level so that those underage (usually those less than 14 years old) can visit patients through the screen from outside; where there's no steps, no elevators, to anything.

That sort of place, which can still be found in smaller places.

The smallest towns with hospitals in Nebraska have populations of 576 and 632.

It's not really cost-efficient, because a miniature hospital has to have the same sorts of things as a gigantic hospital, but the care is perhaps better; I know for a fact that physician-and-nurse-caused infections and deaths in small hospitals are much less than those in big-city hospitals.

And as for the staff, it has to meet the same standards as those physicians and nurses and other professionals at big-city hospitals.  In other words, a small-town physician is just as competent, just as skilled, as a big-city physician.

As a matter of fact, I myself was "delivered" by a member of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons, a physician who never practiced in a town of more than 10,000.  He was of Japanese derivation, although born alongside the Platte River of Nebraska, and just simply liked small-town practice.  I know when I was born, he managed to put me together in less than a couple of minutes, although alas he couldn't do anything about the absent ears.

There's a bias against small places, as if it's "natural" to have better things in a big place.  This bias is quite untrue; on the "average," small places have things just as good, and sometimes better, than things in large places.

My oldest sister died in a hospital in Omaha--I call those monolithic things "body warehouses"--and at some point when I was there, I decided to get something to drink and eat.  I was directed to the dining area, open to the staff, visitors, and patients.

I was stunned.  The place was a five-star restaurant, with even white-coated waiters, heavy linen napkinery, sterling silver silverware, fine china, crystal goblets, candles.  The only thing it lacked was the menu written in French.

I thought what the Hell; hospitals in the restaurant business?

Of course, these "extras"--along with marketing and public relations and advertising departments--do not possibly pay for themselves, and so have to be financed by hiking hospital rates.  It should be no wonder hospital costs are so enormous; the rent of a bed has to subsidize the absolutely unnecessary palatial accoutrements.
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Re: primitive women go gynaecological
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2009, 06:29:23 AM »
I always knew...the difference was the line of stitches, or the lack thereof.  2 with, 3 without...and no stitches at all on the 3 without. 

frank, I find the OP amusing because "the hippies" in the 60's and 70's were the original "back to nature" birthers...they pushed for home births and more natural delivery places than was then normal.  To see the DUmp arguing over something their "ancestors" actual accomplished is priceless.   :lmao:

I'm finding this amusing too. I didn't have an epi with any of mine and had just a minor tear(in the same place everytime) that only needed 3 or 4 stitches. I prefer that to what an epi would have brought just for convenience sake. And I had two different doctors in two different states, both worked hard to make the experience as intervention free as possible. Fortunately, though, my first was the same size as Frank  at birth and my boys were only a lb or 2 heavier. I'd have killed a man with 10 lb baby genes and I likely would have had a c-section. The tear if it looks like it will be superficial, is far preferably.

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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2009, 06:35:43 AM »
I'm gonna chime in and say that a C-section isn't so bad! I wish someone had warned me about the vomiting, but I didn't have much pain. It was definitely weird-I felt like my insides were going to fall out of this incision the first time I stood up-but the plusses definitely outweighed the minuses.

Episiotomy talk makes my ladybits hurt.  :(

It's not so bad(I had small tears). At the risk of scaring all the men out of this thread, you just kind of nervous the first time you have to do #2 :uhsure: and then you realize you are going to live.  :-) Honestly, women who have delivered naturally feel kind of bruised up inside too. I noticed that cramping and healing more in the tummy then in the hoo hah. The stitches healed up very quickly compared to the few weeks one needs for their other female organs to feel healthy again. I tried shopping after only 2 weeks after and quickly realized the internal organs were not healed up yet although all the outer stuff felt just peachy.

Either way, you do what has to be done to get the baby out healthy and alive and the mother in good shape. If that's a C, tht's what has to happen.  :cheersmate:

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Re: primitive women go gynaecological
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2009, 06:37:56 AM »
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It's not really cost-efficient, because a miniature hospital has to have the same sorts of things as a gigantic hospital, but the care is perhaps better; I know for a fact that physician-and-nurse-caused infections and deaths in small hospitals are much less than those in big-city hospitals.

And as for the staff, it has to meet the same standards as those physicians and nurses and other professionals at big-city hospitals.  In other words, a small-town physician is just as competent, just as skilled, as a big-city physician.

Have you experienced a hospitalization recently? I am asking because hospitals (at least the ones I have been in) have changed a lot in the last few years.

When my sons were born (20+ years ago) it was typical to be in the hospital for three days. During those three days, I usually saw the same nurses on each shift. When Boy #2 was born, I was already a cancer patient, having been diagnosed with Hodgkins' Disease a few weeks earlier. The nurses knew that I was going through a lot emotionally, and often dropped in when I was alone, just to chat. This was in the hospital in my hometown.

My surgery, one month later, was performed at a large teaching hospital. There, also, I saw the same nurses on each shift, and when I was discharged ten days later, they all hugged me.

Ten years ago I broke my leg. By this time we had moved to a town of about 7,000. My leg was set at our local hospital--nicknamed by the locals "Death Shore." Needless to say, I was a little apprehensive . . . The nursing care was great. The nurses never seemed to be rushed, the answered calls promptly, and often spent time chatting with me.

The doctor was a very different story. He (and the radiologist, apparently) missed a third break on my x-ray. It was discovered when I sent my films to a friend who sells orthopedic surgical supplies, and he took them to an orthopedist, (at the teaching hospital where I had had my cancer surgery, btw) who had recently testified in a malpractice case involving a fracture similar to the one missed by my doc. I was very fortunate that everything turned out the way it did. Had my doctor attempted to fix the fracture with a rod (standard 21st century procedure) it would likely have shattered my ankle. Had it been left to heal in the cast, it would have healed wrong, and I would probably have had lifelong problems walking.

Long story short, I had surgery at a larger, regional hospital in northern Michigan. There, I had absolute confidence in my doctors, but the nursing care left a lot to be desired. The nurses were rushed all the time. The call button was mostly ignored. They talked loudly outside my room all night long.

I had surgery at our local hospital again three years ago. I was in the hospital maybe five or six days. I don't think I ever had the same nurse more than twice. They were busier, they didn't spend much time with the patients, and overall the care was much less personal.

*shrug* Same hospital, same patient, different year, different experience. I'm just wondering if it's the same in other places as well.

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2009, 06:51:47 AM »
I'm gonna chime in and say that a C-section isn't so bad! I wish someone had warned me about the vomiting, but I didn't have much pain. It was definitely weird-I felt like my insides were going to fall out of this incision the first time I stood up-but the plusses definitely outweighed the minuses.

Episiotomy talk makes my ladybits hurt.  :(

I've never had a C-section, but I have had abdominal surgery twice, and I can't understand how anyone would think surgery would be preferable to childbirth! With both of my surgeries, it was weeks before I even started to feel normal. Both times, the recovery was wretched.

After my first surgery I had to wear a back brace just to straighten up. When the brace was off, to shower or whatever, the natural tendency was to just curl up over the incision. Walking from the parking lot into a store was a daunting task. It was months before I could lie on my stomach. The incision even affected how deeply I could breathe.

All in all, no thank you to a C-section! I'd squirt them out the way nature intended every time!

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Re: primitive women go gynaecological
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2009, 12:22:44 PM »
I thought these gawddamm leftists were into this natural shit?

That's the first thing that went through my mind too...I didn't know you needed an episiotomy during an abortion.

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2009, 01:19:52 PM »
Since they are into aborting 38 week full term babies over there then an episi may be neccessary.  As we all know there are sooooooooooo many reasons to kill a full term baby for "the mother's health".
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2009, 03:27:40 PM »
To tell you the truth, this is WAY more info than us men need to know!
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2009, 03:33:25 PM »
I second the "give me a c-section" and no hurting the ladybits! I had a c-section and while it was painful to recover, I appreciated being able to sit down on my, er...sitterdowner :-)
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2009, 05:19:23 PM »
I second the "give me a c-section" and no hurting the ladybits! I had a c-section and while it was painful to recover, I appreciated being able to sit down on my, er...sitterdowner :-)
The ladybits don't really hurt badly.  Seriously.  Everything heals quite quickly.  Sitting down is not a problem.   Neither is, um, anything else.  :-) 
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2009, 05:24:52 PM »
To tell you the truth, this is WAY more info than us men need to know!

What he said.  :agree:

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2009, 08:09:44 PM »
:rofl: sorry guys!!!
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