A "Best" Of: Amusing case for gun control...

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pnutbutr (835 posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 09:36 AM
Original message
amusing case for gun control, a list of reasons
 1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, Detroit & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense - give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seat belts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

What is almost totally shocking and funny is that 98% of the follow on posts are supportive of the guy! 

And be damned if the nOOb doesn't stand his ground over there!

pnutbutr (835 posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. why so serious
 joker.jpg

 

MadHound (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #14
17. Because like I said before, I get this sort of bullshit from my right wing gun nut FIL
 I really don't need to see it here. It's just more smarmy, untrue bullshit that you and others pass around without even checking out the veracity of the claims. At one time the discourse on DU rose above this sort of crap, but lately it's been sinking, badly. Thanks for contributing to that problem. 

pnutbutr (835 posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. no problem
 glad to help make your day just a little bit darker than it apparently already is. Do you work in a morgue or something?

MadHound (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. No, do you sit around and simply pass on these lying e-mail chain letters? 
 Really now, have you checked out the veracity of any of the claims this letter makes?

Or do you simply pass it on like every other dumbass in the e-mail chain?

You know, you could at least take this shit down to the gungeon, but noooo, you gotta spread the shit around here.

 

pnutbutr (835 posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. it's all true
 I dunno what you are taking issue with.

 

MadHound (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #25
30. NO IT'S NOT, I JUST PWNED YOUR HAPPY ASS UPTHREAD,
 Have you even bothered to go check out the two people I mentioned and their relation to your point number 18? No, you haven't, you're just another blind idiot mindlessly passing around crap without checking it out for any sort of veracity. Geez dude, when somebody pwns your happy ass, don't come back for more, that's just a dumbass thing to do.

 

pnutbutr (835 posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #30
33. you owned me
 by listing two names that you say are somehow associated with one of fourty items in a list?

That's total ownage dude

 

MadHound (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. Well, in my OP I blew number 18 out of the water
 If anybody would care to crawl out of their bubble of ignorance and check. As for the rest, do your own research on it. I've got things to do, places to go, and don't have time to be be doing research for a bunch of people on an anonymous political chat board. 

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pnutbutr (835 posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. yeah
 lots to do yet you are posting here on DU constantly.

 

FudaFuda (237 posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #34
36. If you don't have the time, why bother making the pissy first post? n/t

 

MadHound (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #36
40. Gee, maybe to open some people's eyes to the fact
 That everything posted on an anonymous internet chatboard isn't the truth 

Maybe because I'm frustrated at the level of discourse that DU has suddenly sunk to with the influx of noobs around here. Maybe because I thought that by coming here to DU, and staying out of the gungeon I could escape this sort of RW lying bullshit, but noooo, so ******* noob has to stink the place up, and doesn't even have the common courtesy to put the shit where it belongs, in the gungeon.

Any other questions? 

[Chris_]

MadHound (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. Well, in my OP I blew number 18 out of the water
 If anybody would care to crawl out of their bubble of ignorance and check. As for the rest, do your own research on it. I've got things to do, places to go, and don't have time to be be doing research for a bunch of people on an anonymous political chat board.

When asked to provide proof of something why is it that silence and "do your own research" seem to be the top two answers from a lunatic?

[Carl]

That`s too much sense and sanity to be allowed at the DUmp for very long.

[thundley4]

Topic moved. lol  I did a little googling of the two names mentioned.

"BRUNSWICK, Ga., March 6. -- Angered by losses in a real estate deal, Monroe Phillips, a leading business man, ran amuck today with an automatic shotgun and killed five men and wounded twenty others before he himself was killed. Phillips was shot dead by E.C. Butts, a lawyer, while he was still trying to fire upon citizens who appeared on the street."  NYSLIMES archives

It seems the maniac was stopped by a law abiding gun carrying citizen. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Topic moved. lol  I did a little googling of the two names mentioned.

"BRUNSWICK, Ga., March 6. -- Angered by losses in a real estate deal, Monroe Phillips, a leading business man, ran amuck today with an automatic shotgun and killed five men and wounded twenty others before he himself was killed. Phillips was shot dead by E.C. Butts, a lawyer, while he was still trying to fire upon citizens who appeared on the street."  NYSLIMES archives

It seems the maniac was stopped by a law abiding gun carrying citizen. 

Somebody's mole should tell the OP.

Counter-argument FAIL

[Lord Undies]

guardian (254 posts)        Thu Apr-02-09 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
86. Reason for crime drop in 1990s
   was that it took over a decade to imprison the 125,000 criminals that Castro dumped into the USA during the Mariel Boatlift. That was a huge disaster.

The DUmp must wait until April 2nd. to celebrate April Fools Day.

[The Village Idiot]

The DUmp must wait until April 2nd. to celebrate April Fools Day.

they celebrate it every day... its the only Holiday for leftwing atheist DUmmies besides May Day

[Texacon]

Topic moved. lol  I did a little googling of the two names mentioned.

"BRUNSWICK, Ga., March 6. -- Angered by losses in a real estate deal, Monroe Phillips, a leading business man, ran amuck today with an automatic shotgun and killed five men and wounded twenty others before he himself was killed. Phillips was shot dead by E.C. Butts, a lawyer, while he was still trying to fire upon citizens who appeared on the street."  NYSLIMES archives

It seems the maniac was stopped by a law abiding gun carrying citizen. 

2 other points on that article.  It was not a school shooting as stated in point #18 and it was before the periods mentioned.  If I was seeing that right that article was from 1917.

KC

[Texacon]

FWIW I would really like to see a DUmmie, any DUmmie, go through that list and try to debunk it.

KC

[Lord Undies]

2 other points on that article.  It was not a school shooting as stated in point #18 and it was before the periods mentioned.  If I was seeing that right that article was from 1917.

KC

It doesn't matter.  MadHound had NOTHING.  The fact he had to twist himself into a dishonest pretzel in order to dispute SOMETHING - A N Y T H I N G  in the OP, but failing miserable, speaks for the validity of the "right-wing email".

My favorite surrender move used by the Little Goons is the "I don't have time for....".   Any time one of them uses lack of time as a reason they cannot continue, it means "I'm a DUmbshit and I know It but I am going to try to slither away with as much dignity as I can".

[mamacags]

Just to make some DUmmies a little more angry I will send that list out on email and myspace for more people to read.

[Mike220]

Hey, I support gun control...


Proper grip, proper sight picture, smooth trigger pull.

  

[lastparker]

When asked to provide proof of something why is it that silence and "do your own research" seem to be the top two answers from a lunatic?

That's their mantra.  They especially like it on non-political boards; they sucker-punch a conservative poster with nothing more than opinion stated as fact, and when called on it, proclaim, "Do your OWN research you lazy stupid freeper".  And then they get the conservative banned.

[BlueStateSaint]

Hey, I support gun control...


Proper grip, proper sight picture, smooth trigger pull.

  

Gun control=Using one round. 

[Mike220]

Gun control=Using one round. 

Double tap, center mass. Or if you're feeling piqued, two in the chest, one in the head...

[dutch508]

Double tap, center mass. Or if you're feeling piqued, two in the chest, one in the head...

Two in the heart and One in the head
Will always make sure that Haji is dead.

One bullet is fine, but two in the chest,
Will always ensure Mr Haji's at rest.

[BlueStateSaint]

Double tap, center mass. Or if you're feeling piqued, two in the chest, one in the head...

Conserve your ammo!  Just as snipers say, "One shot, one kill."

[NHSparky]

When asked to provide proof of something why is it that silence and "do your own research" seem to be the top two answers from a lunatic?

Sounds like someone a few of us know...right TRG?

[dutch508]

Conserve your ammo!  Just as snipers say, "One shot, one kill."

snipers are different. Firing a second time from the same location can give away that location.

[BlueStateSaint]

snipers are different. Firing a second time from the same location can give away that location.

I know that.  But, if you're good enough, it's a good thing to follow.  That, or use frangible ammo.

[TandT]

Conserve your ammo!  Just as snipers say, "One shot, one kill."

sounds like you know the GySgt Carlos Hathcock story  ... the original 'One Shot, One Kill' sniper ....

[tuolumnejim]

MadHound (1000+ posts)      Thu Apr-02-09 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. That's the whole point, 
 You're ignoring a large part of population of that time. To say that the majority of the population was in favor of slavery is wrong, because the majority, including the slaves themselves, along with freedmen, Native Americans, etc., were distinctly against slavery. Way to dismiss a large part of the population.

Next up, number thirty nine, what's wrong with that picture?
 

I'm really enjoying the hissyfit this DUmpmonkey is having.  Oh and I wonder if this a-hole knows that "Native Americans" also called Indians owned slaves?

[TheSarge]

Sounds like someone a few of us know...right TRG?

Well we might have just possibly figured out what Cujo's DU name is.

[dutch508]

I'm really enjoying the hissyfit this DUmpmonkey is having.  Oh and I wonder if this a-hole knows that "Native Americans" also called Indians owned slaves?

Incas, Aztecs, Myans...etcetcetc

[TheSarge]

Incas, Aztecs, Myans...etcetcetc

I think tj was referring to something closer to home...the Cherokee Indians owned slaves and plantations in the south until they were forced to move to the Oklahoma Territory on what is known as the Trail of Tears.

IIRC there is still a debate raging today about whether to accept the half black half indian children and their decedents onto the Indian Rolls.