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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-01-09 10:32 PM
Original message
The Seal Hunt SLAUGHTER in Canada is underway
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 10:33 PM by Mari333
sign the petition to stop it.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/877541637?z00... |2786725650
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2009/mar/26...
Post accompanied by the requisite pic of a Seal about to be wacked with the coat making stick.
Tony238 (5 posts) Wed Apr-01-09 10:42 PM
Response to Original message
3. Devil's advocate here
While brutal looking I do not find the idea of this hunt reprehensible. It is just people harvesting a natural resource, that replenishes itself every year, and provides an environmentally friendly and biodegradable form of clothing. I know it is easy to see pictures of cute baby seals with those big eyes and have the knee jerk reaction that the hunt should be stopped. The reality is that these people depend on this hunt for money, and use of natural resources should be encouraged over our current system of oil based materials.
Oh no he dinnent!
flvegan (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-01-09 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. It's like a propaganda flier drop, that.
Tony238 (5 posts) Wed Apr-01-09 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. propaganda
Propaganda is an appeal to emotion over intellect. Everything in my statement is true. It does not rely on pictures of cute animals or brutal images of bloodied snow. Thus my post was not propaganda.
flvegan (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-01-09 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. No, it's propaganda.
Considering you really don't know what you're talking about. It's not about the pelts. The seal hunt is a subsidized commodity hunt. The pelts don't carry enough value. The real reason behind the hunt is eliminating competition due to Canadian overfishing in that area. 300,000 less animals competing for fishermen take is why they do it.
Harvesting a natural resources, considering the process. What a shit inhumane ****ing thing to say.
Don't bother wasting your 4th whole post on me.
Tony238 (5 posts) Thu Apr-02-09 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #10
17. Thanks for the welcome
What is it with DU and demeaning people on their number of posts. Is it so bad to just discover a community. Moving on, the average price of a pelt according to this site http://www.harpseals.org/about_the_hunt/pelts.html is 20 dollars, far from worthless. Also, if the real purpose of the hunt was to decrease competition for fish between seals and fishermen, why organize a hunt. I imagine there are easier ways to kill seals than to hunt them for a few weeks a year with strict quotas.
flvegan (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-02-09 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #17
23. Why organize a hunt? Public scrutiny.
Even with the bullshit "need the pelt money" angle, they are just about out of business because of the outcry over the cruelty. If they simply told the truth and said, "yeah, skin them alive to eliminate competition" the reaction would be epic. Besides, they get that small stipend for the pelt they ripped from a still-breathing body.
Apologist.
MajorChode (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-02-09 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #10
30. Yes, that's exactly what it is
Considering you really don't know what you're talking about. The propaganda comes straight from Greenpeace and other propaganda (AKA bullshit) mongers, and is not even within a cab ride of being accurate. Greenpeace claims the reason for the hunt is to increase the Cod population, but this is complete bullshit. Seals may eat Cod, but they also eat other fish that also eat Cod, so it all works out about even.
Seal hunting hasn't been subsidized in almost a decade and even when it was subsidized it was only to develop markets like blubber to take full use of the animal. Seal hunting was going just fine before it was ever subsidized.
There is so much bullshit that floats around regarding hunting of all types it really has reached the point of being quite pathetic. Lots of animals are hunted as part of a comprehensive resource management programs. There are over 3 times the number of Harp Seals in Canada as there were 40 years ago when Greenpeace started claiming it was endangering the Harp Seal population. Does anyone who truly knows what they are "talking about" really listen to Greenpeace anymore? "shit inhumane"? I guess allowing animals to die of starvation and disease is much more preferable, eh?
flvegan (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-02-09 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. Actual experts would disagree with you.
Big surprise. And I don't mean that joke of an org Greenpeace.
As for your decade theory, why don't you check around 5 years ago.
Oh, and they'd not starve...if the area wasn't overfished to begin with.
YOU don't know what you're talking about. The shock of it all.
hendo (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-02-09 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #30
36. but, but we can't kill the cute animals!
I always wonder why more people don't protest the use of mice or rats in experiments.
Because they are frakking MICE and RATS you moron.
Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-01-09 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. I have to disagree - and I'm Canadian
As much as I realize that the seal hunt is a traditional Newfoundland tradition and a major source of income for many Newfoundlanders, I hate the hunt.
Because it's NOT providing food or sustenance for the sealer, but rather a lucrative harvest for the fashion industry.
It IS NOT a viable renewable resource and the sealers are taking more than can be replaced.
This is strictly a "vanity hunt", a means of killing something for profit only.
And it's not like they're providing a valid source of clothing. Most of us can't afford the outrageous prices they charge for sealskin garments.
The sealers need to find something else for wintertime income.
dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-01-09 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. "The sealers need to find something else for wintertime income..."
maybe they could caulk boats that are in dry-dock...?
at least that way they could keep their same job-title.
Tony238 (5 posts) Wed Apr-01-09 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. I am also Canadian
The hunt may not directly provide the sustenance for the hunters, but the money they make from the hunt helps to feed them and their families. The regions these people hail form are not exactly rich in jobs. Very few people would willingly go and beat an animal to death for money, unless they really needed. Some how I doubt all of the psychopaths congregated in this one area just so they could kill seals for the joy of it.
flvegan (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-01-09 10:44 PM
Response to Original message
4. Got to eliminate fish competition so that we can eat it.
Something for folks to think about.
Thankfully, for the last couple days mother nature has provided enough ice to keep these hakapik swinging douchebags from getting to them.
Shame The Farley Mowat is otherwise detained.
Hopefully, the EU's pending vote will make this the very last year these ****wads do this.
Wow. I had no idea Canada was part of the EU.
hendo (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-02-09 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #26
35. and dont forget kiddies
if you throw paint on a fur coat, the person will just go out and buy another one.
U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Thu Apr-02-09 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. dont forget kiddies...if you club them in the head instead of throwing paint
they won't be able buy another fur coat.
Nice...
