Cigarette Prices

[NHSparky]

Several states have reinstated their sovereignty but do we know why or what they intend to do because of it? 

Sadly, these states are doing nothing more than symbolic gestures and will fold as soon as the federal government says, "You want soverignity?  Fine--no more federal dollars for you, then!"

[NHSparky]

What they get from the feds? You don't see anything wrong with that? What they get from the FEDS!? Where does the Fed get their money? From the STATES citizens.

Very true.  But to be fair (or at least brutally honest) the average citizen doesn't know or care how the money gets from THEIR pocket to the treasury via taxes, and unless self-employed, aren't in much of a position to stop said taxes from being sent to the treasury via their employer and the banking system.

[Lanie]

Guess I'll bring it here as well.

Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta before Obama--------------28.99

Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta after Obama's 71 days------49.99

Obama can go **** himself along with the liberals who support this shit. Where do you think they'll turn when people stop smoking? Think they'll just accept that lowered amount of taxes?


Question, say a person opens up their own cigarette-making shop in, say, Augusta. However, they only sell to Georgians. The guy owns the tobacco fields, small factory, and storefront.

Can any of you tell me how it's constitutional for the Federal government to impose taxes on this business that doesn't sell or trade interstate?

I don't support these taxes because I think those who want to be sell it illegally will be empowered somehow. Some say it's not possible, but I can think of some ways it can be done.

I'm also thinking to myself that Obama claimed he wouldn't tax the poor. Well, he is taxing the poor. This document discusses how in many countries, it's the poor who buy tobacco.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:lQriIFVVFQ0J:wbb.globalink.org/public/poverty_factsheet.pdf+tobacco+%2B+poverty&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I would like it if the poor would empower themselves and tell RJR and Obama to piss off, but I know that won't happen in most cases. And yes, I know rich people smoke too. Statistically speaking, it seems poor people smoke more.

[Lanie]

Well, if this isn't an incentive to quit smoking....I don't know what is...

I know people who can't breath, but they don't see it as a good enough incentive to quit smoking.

[lastparker]

They could pass a law to tax every pack $100.00 and it would enjoy overwhelming public support.  The population of righteous anti-smokers is huge, and militant.

Then they'll come for our booze, then our Doritos, etc.  Maybe when they tax twinkies at 250%, the people will wake up.  Nah - probably not until they come after the coffee.

I did pick up a helpful link on DU when I was reading one of their threads about this:

http://www.dutyfreedepot.com/

(Thanks, you traitorous Captains of Irony)


edited to correct a dreadful spelling error.

[mamacags]

If you have a back yard and live in a decent climate you can grow tobacco pretty easily.  Both of my families in Kentucky grew tobacco but strangely enough both of my grandfathers bought their smoking tobacco.  I guess the straight from the ground, dried, ground kind is pretty strong and not at all pleasant to smoke.

[thundley4]

Maybe the FDA will just rule that nicotine is a controlled substance and start requiring a prescription for it.  They should just outlaw it altogether, but the government couldn't stand to lose the tax revenue.  That is the only reason it has not been outright banned already. 

[Black Swan]

What they get from the feds? You don't see anything wrong with that? What they get from the FEDS!? Where does the Fed get their money? From the STATES citizens.

Rebel, That is exactly what I was saying but I guess I wasn't too clear or something. It always amazes me when a city will say that building this here riverwalk won't cost us a thing (because they have gotten a grant).  Well, it cost me something and it will continue to cost me something to maintain it. 

Same thing with building new schools.  They float a bond issue and it's only a few mills more.  They hire an architect and build a sprawling beauty and then complain because it costs so much to heat.  The bond issue didn't cover that nor the maintenance for the two pools and parking lots for kids cars.  We could go on and on.  No matter where they get the money it comes out of our pockets either via local, state or federal taxes.  And sometimes it doesn't even matter if the issue was voted down locally--they override it and do it anyway.  911 is a perfect example.   

[Thor]

I had spoken with a friend about this and also read it around the innerwbz.....

it appears that rolling your own is becoming the "in" thing to do with smokers. The initial cost is a little less than two cartons of production cigs, but then, the cost dies down to somewhere around $10/ carton.