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Cigarette Prices
« on: March 31, 2009, 05:32:46 PM »
Guess I'll bring it here as well.

Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta before Obama--------------28.99

Carton of Marlboro Ultra Lights in Augusta after Obama's 71 days------49.99

Obama can go **** himself along with the liberals who support this shit. Where do you think they'll turn when people stop smoking? Think they'll just accept that lowered amount of taxes?


Question, say a person opens up their own cigarette-making shop in, say, Augusta. However, they only sell to Georgians. The guy owns the tobacco fields, small factory, and storefront.

Can any of you tell me how it's constitutional for the Federal government to impose taxes on this business that doesn't sell or trade interstate?
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 05:34:38 PM »
Glad I quit when I did.  12 years and going strong.
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 05:46:05 PM »
The funny part is that they are doing this at THE SAME TIME they are pushing to allow the FDA to regulate the amount of nicotine in cigarettes so that they can, guess what?, REDUCE IT.

Thus provoking addicts to purchase MORE of the product that they are taxing the shit out of.

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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 05:49:30 PM »
Georgia must have lower tobacco prices.

Here in the Sandhills of Nebraska--

Carton of Marlboro Ultra Light 100s pre-0bumble: $35.00

Carton of Marlboro Ultra Light 100s in the 0bumblereich: $54.00
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 05:56:34 PM »
Here in Gods country Eastern NC

pre thumpy $24 carton for Winstons

post thumpy $32 carton for Winstons

Did notice Marlboro's were $39.99

And now our Govenor Bev Perdue wants to add $1/pack also
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 06:00:34 PM »
Well, if this isn't an incentive to quit smoking....I don't know what is... :bolt:
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 06:07:13 PM »
Ouch!!! *marks down Dad and Brother for cigs at Christmas. Yikes that's high!
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 06:12:19 PM »
Great, that's all we need here...more Massholes.

FWIW, they have the highest taxes, just behind NY and NJ.  NH is comparatively cheap at a state tax over a dollar a pack less than MA, but current prices are still at $45-50 a carton for name-brand smokes.  Now we'll be looking at $60 or more, and still cheapest in New England.
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 06:17:18 PM »
I don't smoke - I never have, but I do have sympathy for those who do - and like I mentioned in another thread about Obama V1.0, Deval Patrick, the sin taxes have gone totally overboard.

A long time ago , until april 14 of 1997, I ran a convenience store. A full price pack of cigs in Massachusetts at that time was $2.47, and the discount brands varied between $1.79 and $1.99. There was almost always one full price brand on sale, with a .50 instant coupon, bringing it to just under 2 bucks a pack. If one wasn't brand loyal, one could do alright with pricing.

This is just 12 years ago.

As of today, full price now hovers around this..


and after Obama adds his bit, its estimated that a single pack will top out around 9 bucks a pack.

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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 08:17:45 PM »
I buy mine online and support the Native Americans  :-)

Though looking at your prices, I pay 44 for Merit 100 lights.  Includes NY tax and shipping. 

I won't post the link because minors might be reading  :innocent:
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 08:27:36 PM »
Quote from: seabelle on March 31, 2009, 08:17:45 PM
I buy mine online and support the Native Americans  :-)

Though looking at your prices, I pay 44 for Merit 100 lights.  Includes NY tax and shipping. 

I won't post the link because minors might be reading  :innocent:

Minors don't have credit cards.

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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 08:33:22 PM »
I have smoked about 1-1/2 packs a day for 45+ years.  I have tried acupuncture, hypnosis, chantix and the patch--none worked.  I bought the e-cigarette and now I "vape."  I haven't had a cigarette since last Thursday. 

http://www.viddler.com/explore/Spikey47/videos/4/

I purchased the Dura-C and the Extended KissBox here:  http://jantyusa.com/index.php

Amazingly, I have little desire for a cigarette.   I refuse to pay one more dime in taxes. 
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 08:41:13 PM »
Tell ya what, for ever dollar I spend on cigarettes, I'm gonna match it for firearms.

This is in my sights:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Romanian_PSL-54C_7.62x54R_Rifle.html

and the ammo? Cheap:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Czech_7.62x54R_Light_Ball.html

I already have a few Mosin Nagant's so this ammo should come in handy. Bought my last MN today.
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 08:47:20 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 31, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
Minors don't have credit cards.

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They only take eChecks or MO's.....very easy for minors to get :)  But photo i.d. is required for first delivery.
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 08:48:27 PM »
Quote from: Black Swan on March 31, 2009, 08:33:22 PM
I have smoked about 1-1/2 packs a day for 45+ years.  I have tried acupuncture, hypnosis, chantix and the patch--none worked.  I bought the e-cigarette and now I "vape."  I haven't had a cigarette since last Thursday. 

http://www.viddler.com/explore/Spikey47/videos/4/

I purchased the Dura-C and the Extended KissBox here:  http://jantyusa.com/index.php

Amazingly, I have little desire for a cigarette.   I refuse to pay one more dime in taxes. 

Great info, thanks! 
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2009, 08:58:47 PM »
Quote from: seabelle on March 31, 2009, 08:48:27 PM
Great info, thanks! 

Here is a forum that offers all kinds of info.  This is the review section.  http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/electronic-cigarette-reviews/

The KissBox can be used with the USB pass-through that comes with the Extended KissBox.  You can purchase the Kensington power pack so it is portable with a battery that lasts a couple of days as opposed to several hours.   Scroll down for explanation and link to model number.  http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/8179-kensington-portable-power-pack-review.html

 
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2009, 09:36:00 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on March 31, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
Question, say a person opens up their own cigarette-making shop in, say, Augusta. However, they only sell to Georgians. The guy owns the tobacco fields, small factory, and storefront.

Can any of you tell me how it's constitutional for the Federal government to impose taxes on this business that doesn't sell or trade interstate?


Can anyone answer this?
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Re: Cigarette Prices
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2009, 09:49:21 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on March 31, 2009, 09:36:00 PM

Can anyone answer this?

Who picks your tobacco and processes it?  Do you pay them?  Aren't you required to withhold FICA tax? Isn't there a requirement regarding say OSHA and a factory?  What about Business ID?  How did you get a storefront?  IIRC even bartering is technically taxable.  I can't expressly answer your question but I see road blocks that are in your way.   
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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2009, 10:13:18 PM »
Quote from: Black Swan on March 31, 2009, 09:49:21 PM
Who picks your tobacco and processes it?  Do you pay them?  Aren't you required to withhold FICA tax? Isn't there a requirement regarding say OSHA and a factory?  What about Business ID?  How did you get a storefront?  IIRC even bartering is technically taxable.  I can't expressly answer your question but I see road blocks that are in your way.   

That was hypothetical, Swan, but when in the HELL did it become the Damn federal government's concern when it comes to in-state commerce?
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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2009, 10:25:10 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on March 31, 2009, 10:13:18 PM
That was hypothetical, Swan, but when in the HELL did it become the Damn federal government's concern when it comes to in-state commerce?

Not funny but I used to get ticked off because business could use out of state employees (who spent their earned dollars out of state) and I, as a private citizen, could not purchase my cigarettes out of state without paying taxes to my state.  Some old ATF law that was dragged up by someone from Wisconsin if I recall.  My state went after internet sales and collected taxes not paid. 

Actually, I believe taxes are levied against business and not individuals.  Is this not what all those who believe they can get away without paying taxes believe? 

Government needs to get out of the way and out of our lives.   
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2009, 10:31:03 PM »
Quote from: Black Swan on March 31, 2009, 10:25:10 PM
Not funny but I used to get ticked off because business could use out of state employees (who spent their earned dollars out of state) and I, as a private citizen, could not purchase my cigarettes out of state without paying taxes to my state.  Some old ATF law that was dragged up by someone from Wisconsin if I recall.  My state went after internet sales and collected taxes not paid. 

Actually, I believe taxes are levied against business and not individuals.  Is this not what all those who believe they can get away without paying taxes believe? 

Government needs to get out of the way and out of our lives.   

I don't believe in the ATF at all. There is NO ****ing reason I should be paying more to the Fed than my state. They have TWO Damn reasons for existing, the regulation of interstate commerce and the national defense of the nation. That's it. That's constitutional. The shit they're doing now? I view as unconstitutional. It's gonna take some state legislators with some BALLS to stop it. To stand up and reaffirm our state sovereignty under the 10th Amendment.
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2009, 10:41:22 PM »
Several states have reinstated their sovereignty but do we know why or what they intend to do because of it? 
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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2009, 10:57:38 PM »
Quote from: Black Swan on March 31, 2009, 10:41:22 PM
Several states have reinstated their sovereignty but do we know why or what they intend to do because of it? 

I'm ready for a governor to stand up and say, "That's it. Show us the bill for these two constitutionally-mandated duties of the federal government and we'll allow our citizens to pay income taxes. Other than that, you're not getting a cent.".

Hell, I need to run for Ga Governor on that point alone.
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« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2009, 11:05:58 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on March 31, 2009, 10:57:38 PM
I'm ready for a governor to stand up and say, "That's it. Show us the bill for these two constitutionally-mandated duties of the federal government and we'll allow our citizens to pay income taxes. Other than that, you're not getting a cent.".

Hell, I need to run for Ga Governor on that point alone.

Don't you think they are more interested in what they are getting via the feds from our pockets along with what they steal from us at the state level?  I don't think any of the politicians State or Federal care a damn about the country anymore.  It is all self-interest and what to do to get re-elected.   

 
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2009, 11:28:04 PM »
Quote from: Black Swan on March 31, 2009, 11:05:58 PM
Don't you think they are more interested in what they are getting via the feds from our pockets along with what they steal from us at the state level?  I don't think any of the politicians State or Federal care a damn about the country anymore.  It is all self-interest and what to do to get re-elected.   

What they get from the feds? You don't see anything wrong with that? What they get from the FEDS!? Where does the Fed get their money? From the STATES citizens.
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