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Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« on: March 09, 2009, 10:56:48 PM »
this is actually something that he promised to do on the campaign trail.  of course, he has opened pandora's box.

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Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research

President Barack Obama announced Monday that he will allow federal financing of medical research using stem cells from discarded human embryos, the vanguard of a broader effort to end what he calls a Bush-era "war on science."

"This order is an important step in advancing the cause of science in America," Obama said in the East Room of the White House.

He said he would not only open the door to this medical research, but also would unleash all forms of science in areas such as the environment from what he believes were limits imposed by the Bush administration rooted in conservative ideology, politics and religion.

"Promoting science isn't just about providing resources," Obama said. "It is about letting scientists ... do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it's inconvenient; especially when it's inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda, and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology."

Obama's order lifted all of President George W. Bush's restrictions on research into stem cells, which can replicate indefinitely and differentiate into many cell types, and it allows "scientifically worthy human stem-cell research including human embryonic stem-cell research." He gave the National Institutes of Health 120 days to prepare guidelines on how the research will be financed and conducted.

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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2009, 11:10:34 PM »
It will be interesting to see what happens.

All the network stations have been running this as their feature story for the 11 PM news....
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2009, 11:12:24 PM »
Quote from: RobJohnson on March 09, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens.

All the network stations have been running this as their feature story for the 11 PM news....

he flat out said that the bush administration policy was "politicizing science". :whatever:  how can he be so unaware of the profession that he has chosen?
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2009, 11:14:33 PM »
What a sad development.  Embryo stem cells have proven, so far, to be useless for any kind of treatment.  This will only further the misconception that they are a worthwhile area of study. 
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2009, 11:17:22 PM »
Quote from: Chris on March 09, 2009, 11:14:33 PM
What a sad development.  Embryo stem cells have proven, so far, to be useless for any kind of treatment.  This will only further the misconception that they are a worthwhile area of study. 

adult stem cells were holding great promise, and that research would have probably never taken place if science wasn't forced to consider them.

no one knows where this will go.  Obama may think that he has this all figured out, but anyone that acts as though something this complex is simple is proving that they are utterly unable to comprehend the entire issue.

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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2009, 11:20:03 PM »
All I've heard from embryo stem cell use have been hypothetical "uses" and horror stories of some poor bastard that gets injected with them and develops all sorts of freakish tumors, while adult cells are already being used successfully.  But, hey... at least Obama can claim he fulfulled a campaign promise.
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2009, 11:26:27 PM »
Quote from: Chris on March 09, 2009, 11:20:03 PM
All I've heard from embryo stem cell use have been hypothetical "uses" and horror stories of some poor bastard that gets injected with them and develops all sorts of freakish tumors, while adult cells are already being used successfully.  But, hey... at least Obama can claim he fulfulled a campaign promise.

the hype surrounding embryonic stem cells is astounding.  I couldn't flip through news programs tonight without seeing someone in a wheelchair saying thet they finally had a chance to walk again;  as though george bush was personally preventing it.

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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2009, 07:17:46 AM »
Look on the bright side, maybe this can be used to cure stupidity in DUmmies. I know, I know, it's hopeless but maybe, just maybe.
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2009, 08:26:32 AM »
If fetal stem cell research was so promising then research companies would be willing to dump their own monies into it.   As for embryos going to waste, what about snowflake babies?
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2009, 10:12:41 AM »
it's an intentional statement of false alternatives;  it is invariably phrased in a way that makes it sound as though millions of lives would be instantly saved if we just started harvesting fetal stem cells this afternoon.  but that's JUST NOT TRUE.   the proper framing of the debate should be, "allow us to harvest stem cells in any way that we wish, and after another 50 years of research, we may find a cure for something.  we don't know what the cure may be for, and we won't know any time soon.  in fact, it may not happen at all. "

if you are against harvesting fetal stem cells, you are in favor of human misery, and opposed to the bright sunshine of science. :whatever:


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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2009, 11:00:38 AM »
Quote from: Wretched Excess on March 10, 2009, 10:12:41 AM
it's an intentional statement of false alternatives;  it is invariably phrased in a way that makes it sound as though millions of lives would be instantly saved if we just started harvesting fetal stem cells this afternoon.  but that's JUST NOT TRUE.   the proper framing of the debate should be, "allow us to harvest stem cells in any way that we wish, and after another 50 years of research, we may find a cure for something.  we don't know what the cure may be for, and we won't know any time soon.  in fact, it may not happen at all. "

if you are against harvesting fetal stem cells, you are in favor of human misery, and opposed to the bright sunshine of science. :whatever:
...and how many DUmmie types believe that stem cell research was banned before this?  Now there will be competition for those research dollars...just like the research into globalwarming.
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2009, 11:23:05 AM »
Quote from: lug-nut on March 10, 2009, 11:00:38 AM
...and how many DUmmie types believe that stem cell research was banned before this?  Now there will be competition for those research dollars...just like the research into globalwarming.

exactly.  not only was it not banned, it was funded under the bush administration.  W just kept the lid on the moral pandora's box that obama has opened relative to cloning, & etc.

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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2009, 11:35:24 AM »
Quote from: Wretched Excess on March 09, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
he flat out said that the bush administration policy was "politicizing science". :whatever:  how can he be so unaware of the profession that he has chosen?

No kidding. Name one thing that Obama has not politicized.
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2009, 11:40:53 AM »
Quote from: RobJohnson on March 10, 2009, 11:35:24 AM
No kidding. Name one thing that Obama has not politicized.

I was going to say, "his favorite baseball team", but . . .


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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2009, 11:43:15 AM »
Quote from: Wretched Excess on March 10, 2009, 10:12:41 AM
it's an intentional statement of false alternatives;  it is invariably phrased in a way that makes it sound as though millions of lives would be instantly saved if we just started harvesting fetal stem cells this afternoon.  but that's JUST NOT TRUE.   the proper framing of the debate should be, "allow us to harvest stem cells in any way that we wish, and after another 50 years of research, we may find a cure for something.  we don't know what the cure may be for, and we won't know any time soon.  in fact, it may not happen at all. "

if you are against harvesting fetal stem cells, you are in favor of human misery, and opposed to the bright sunshine of science. :whatever:




I agree.

I would like to think there is a cure out there, for something still unknown. But it wont happen today or tomorrow and like you said, it could take 50 years.

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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2009, 11:47:53 AM »
Quote from: RobJohnson on March 10, 2009, 11:43:15 AM
I agree.

I would like to think there is a cure out there, for something still unknown. But it wont happen today or tomorrow and like you said, it could take 50 years.


...but from the dim POV if you throw enough money at it, you can "fix" anything...education, healthcare, etc.   :whatever:
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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2009, 11:52:01 AM »
in fact, the bush policy didn't ban anything.  you could do privately funded research on "federally unapproved" fetal stem cell lines.  all the obamagastic policy change has done is to cheapen human life, open the door to human cloning, and create one hell of a moral dilemma for us sometime in the relatively near future.

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Re: Obama lifts Bush-era bans on stem cell research
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2009, 11:56:33 AM »
Quote from: Wretched Excess on March 10, 2009, 11:40:53 AM
I was going to say, "his favorite baseball team", but . . .


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