peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-08-09 10:46 PM
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Unhappy people. Is there anyone who COULD have won that would have been more LEFT than OBAMA?
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-08-09 10:53 PM
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1. Sure.
If the media weren't instrumental in preventing that from happening.
Or are you asking if corporate media would have supported someone who wasn't looking out for corporate interests? If that's what you're asking, then no.
Yeesh.
peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-08-09 11:08 PM
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11. Yeah, OK. The majority of the country does not live on your idealistic left fantasy planet.
Most people are in the mainstream, you are a minority in your beliefs do you not know that? Tell me how the mainstream consciousness of America is supposed to LEAP to an Individuated consciousness overnight?
While this is true it doesn't consider that there is already quite a high population on that fantasy planet, and it grows daily.
noamnety (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-08-09 11:39 PM
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32. The Dean Scream was an eye opener for me
It was a good peek behind the curtain. He was entirely electable - except the media saw to it by manipulating microphone levels - that he was defined in the way they wanted him defined.
As for folks like Kucinich, his actual views were not so far off the mainstream, but the media made sure to portray his as a nutjob. If you look at his views on health care, on the war, on any number of issues, they aren't really out there. The media could have portrayed him as a straight talker (even a *maverick*) who stood his ground against corporate lobbyists.
But they had strong incentive to not let him speak at the corporate debates, not give him equal airtime, define him by his height, or other equally nonsensical things.
So we don't have any way of knowing whether he would have had a chance - if he'd been presented by the media in the same way that Clinton and Obama were for the four years leading up to the election, as the probable front runners.
I bet they don't have the faintest idea how crazy they sound.
liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-08-09 11:03 PM
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4. Hell no. Not in the current environment.
Edited on Sun Mar-08-09 11:07 PM by liberalmuse
I'd like to know how many DUers who are whining about President Obama two months into his Presidency were marching back in May 2001? Yeah, not many. If there'd have been more of you, perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess now. I don't want to ****ing hear it. I've waited too long for Bush to be gone, and we've gotten far better than this nation deserves with a President Obama, considering we're a nation of apathetic do-nothings. Hell, if ONE-TENTH of the liberals had been out there protesting with the rest of us, maybe we would have gotten somewhere. I'm sick of the whining from both sides. Get off your ****ing asses and work if you have issues. ****, President Obama is working his ass off, and people are sitting on their asses expressing their outrage through their keyboards. Oh...Wow! If you have a problem with President Obama not meeting your demands, again, GET OFF YOUR ****ING ASSES AND DO SOMETHING. That's all. I've had it!
The futility of attempting to get the DUmmies go "get off their ass" and "do something" should be plainly apparant by now.
If it involves more effort than "K&R" or sending a snarky email, count them out.
camera obscura (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-08-09 11:14 PM
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20. John Edwards, provided he didn't have that keeping-it-in-the-pants problem.
Funny, that problem didn't seem to effect his colleague from Arkansas' chance of election.
Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-08-09 11:06 PM
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7. I like to think Feingold, but no. That's why centrists Obama and Clinton were what we ended up with
Both vastly better candidates than Mondale, Gore, Kerry, Dukakis.
But real progressives? No.
Obama and Clinton are centrists ?
