Question for Older DUers. I was 6 in 1980 when Reagan took over after Carter.

[CC27]

YOY  (1000+ posts)        Fri Mar-06-09 10:10 AM
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Question for Older DUers. I was 6 in 1980 when Reagan took over after Carter. 
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 10:14 AM by YOY
I barely remember the early part of the 80s. Mostly in a child's way I recall taking care of my little sister and brother when mom had to go back to work unwillingly (ALL HAIL REAGAN!), hiding behind the couch during Bruce Banner's transformations in the TV show "The Incredible Hulk", and grandma coming over to cook for us every few days (she lived close).

I just don't remember the political feeling. The blame of the previous administration, unemployment, financial woes, the worries of what would happen, people talking about "the end of the world" etc... I have to ask someone who is older if the current situation is anything like the transition from Reagan to Carter?

If so, could we take this as the final "shoe on the other foot" that we have waited so long for. That is will indeed get better but we will have to persevere?

Am I wrong in feeling this?

DUmmies rewriting history again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8247655

[franksolich]

DUmmies rewriting history again.

They do that all the time.

However, it mystifies me that the primitives never notice that only the primitives, and no one else in the whole wide world excepting themselves, view the Incompetent One favorably.

[Carl]

Ah yes, Jimmy Carter...I remember him well...

GAS LINES
18% HOME MORTGAGE INTEREST RATES
MALAISE
SWEATERS
STICK ASS IN AIR WHEN IRANIANS ATTACK U.S. CITIZENS AND HOLD THEM HOSTAGE

That's what I remember about Jimmy Carter, and by all signs, HUSSIEN WILL BE EVEN WORSE.

Yep...in 6 months to a year the DUmbfuk will see first hand what Carter living was like.

[CC27]

Ah yes, Jimmy Carter...I remember him well...

GAS LINES
18% HOME MORTGAGE INTEREST RATES
MALAISE
SWEATERS
STICK ASS IN AIR WHEN IRANIANS ATTACK U.S. CITIZENS AND HOLD THEM HOSTAGE

That's what I remember about Jimmy Carter, and by all signs, HUSSIEN WILL BE EVEN WORSE.

I love it how that one DUmmie called Reagans take over as "hostile." WTF was so hostile about it? I guess Reagans ass kicking of Carter could be called hostile. LOL.

[Vagabond]

My Dad, a lifelong democrat, told me he cast his last vote for a Democrat at the national level when Carter was elected.  He remains a Democrat saying that the only way to keep some of the real loonies from standing for general election in local races.  

[Texacon]

mrs_p  (617 posts)        Fri Mar-06-09 10:36 AM
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9. i was 6yo too in 1980
 but in the early 80's, i remember my single parent mother crying every night because she couldn't pay the bills and was going to lose the house. i remember counting pennies and looking all over the house for a few more to make 100 - enough to buy a bag of beans which is all we had to eat. i remember el salvadorians fleeing their country to come to my church where they found sanction so they too wouldn't be cut up and thrown onto their families lawns. i remember thinking we were all going to die from a big blast. i remember not understanding how people could EVER like those mean reagans (mr and mrs).

We are a pretty politically active home.  We talk to our kids about all kinds of stuff and always have.  When my kids were in 1st grade they probably didn't even know the name of the president let alone whether they were 'mean' or not.

What a lying sack o' shit.

KC

[BEG]

I have to ask someone who is older if the current situation is anything like the transition from Reagan to Carter?

It was FROM Carter TO Reagan loser. 

[Carl]

mrs_p  (617 posts)        Fri Mar-06-09 10:36 AM
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9. i was 6yo too in 1980
 but in the early 80's, i remember my single parent mother crying every night because she couldn't pay the bills and was going to lose the house. i remember counting pennies and looking all over the house for a few more to make 100 - enough to buy a bag of beans which is all we had to eat. i remember el salvadorians fleeing their country to come to my church where they found sanction so they too wouldn't be cut up and thrown onto their families lawns. i remember thinking we were all going to die from a big blast. i remember not understanding how people could EVER like those mean reagans (mr and mrs).

Too bad you still spell and write like a 6 year old.

[Chris_]

Ah yes, Jimmy Carter...I remember him well...

GAS LINES
18% HOME MORTGAGE INTEREST RATES
MALAISE
SWEATERS
STICK ASS IN AIR WHEN IRANIANS ATTACK U.S. CITIZENS AND HOLD THEM HOSTAGE

That's what I remember about Jimmy Carter, and by all signs, HUSSIEN WILL BE EVEN WORSE.

Let us not forget the Panama Canal........

doc

[ReardenSteel]

It was FROM Carter TO Reagan loser. 

Damn I was going to say that. But I had a clever joke about the OP's "DUmmies rewriting history again." line.

CC will just have to do without. Thanks a lot BEG. 

[jukin]

Sorry BC, those mortgage rates were at 24%.

Don't forget inflation at 12+% and unemployment at 11+%.

Oh and the, now second, worst president also mid-wifed islamic terrorism by taking down the Shah of Iran and gave ultimately gave the chi-coms control of the Panama Canal.  But he did show the USSR who was boss by boycotting the 80 Olympics.

[franksolich]

Too bad you still spell and write like a 6 year old.

That's a mole.

I'm sure of it.

[Carl]

That's a mole.

I'm sure of it.

Wondered about that too.
Hard to tell what is normal stupid from them and what is mocking.

[NHSparky]

Ah yes, Jimmy Carter...I remember him well...

GAS LINES
18% HOME MORTGAGE INTEREST RATES
MALAISE
SWEATERS
STICK ASS IN AIR WHEN IRANIANS ATTACK U.S. CITIZENS AND HOLD THEM HOSTAGE

That's what I remember about Jimmy Carter, and by all signs, HUSSIEN WILL BE EVEN WORSE.

You forgot the "hollow force" under Carter.

[Karin]

I don't mean to be heartless, but I'm always suspicious about these starving childhood stories, like this bag of beans deal, or scraping up nickels under the sofa to buy the kids' milk. 
The WIC program has been around since the 1960's, and formally authorized in 1972.  The 80's saw increased coordination among social services to enhance WIC's reach.  Tell me if I'm wrong, but if you're starving in America, you're trying pretty hard to, or else you have an evil, evil parent.  Nothing to do with a president.

[USA4ME]

YOY
 
Question for Older DUers.

I'm approximately 34 years old and I write really dumb rants telling my political opponents things I can't even begin to understand and hoping against hope that average people will shun freedom for increasing gov't control.

Were you as stupid as I am when you were this age?

Fixed.

And BTW, most of the older DUmmies are still as stupid as you are, primitive YOY.

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[USA4ME]

Here's some more major re-writes of history.  Count all the lies as you read along.

WI_DEM
 
3. I was almost 17, but the transition from Carter to Reagan was somewhat more hostile than Bush to Obama. It was clear that Carter and Reagan didn't like each other and they didn't put any act to really hide it. I thought Bush, on the whole, seemed more gracious outwardly to the Obama's. But Obama is also doing what Reagan did in 1981, blaming his predecessor for all the ills. Of course, when the Reagan recession hit in 1982-83 he still blamed Carter for that, even though Reagan had been president for over a year. It was that deep recession that finally conquered the inflation of the Carter era, not Reagan's tax cuts for the rich which he said caused "Morning in America" and American's bought it in 1984.

izquierdista

4. Not the same

Carter's problems that kept him from being reelected were not because he and his party caused a lot of woe. The 1979 oil crisis was OPEC's doing and he could not reasonably be blamed for the price of oil. Also, his boycott of the 1980 Olympics was a principled stand, and he was fairly well supported for that. Carter really didn't lag in the polls until he put more and more energy into freeing the Iranian hostages, which kept him hostage in the White House and unable to campaign. Then candidate-for-VP Bush has some underhanded dealings with the Iranians, promise them a better deal the longer they keep the hostages and make Carter look ineffectual. Now had some FBI been trailing him and spilled the beans on his talks with the Iranians, that could have sunk Reagan right there.

Carter just had bad timing hit him all the way around: the Iranian hostages on the eve of a re-election year, the 1979 oil price shock, inability to get inflation under control (which is what got Ford dumped before him). And compared to today, the economic woes of the Carter times were much tamer.

MADem

17. One word: MALAISE. 

And here's a pile of other words to go with that!!

Of course, people were starting up on the "greed is good" meme under Reagan, and consequently, they paid less attention than they perhaps should have about politics. People were into the Gordon Gekko, Wall Street, Gucci, Pucci, Fiorucci lifestyle, and that was when ****ing idiots suddenly started to really care about "brand names"--to the extent that they gleefully turned themselves into billboards for shit--"Members Only" jackets (bwahahahahahaha!!!), Ray-Ban sunglasses....!!! My GAWD, the absolute FOOLISHNESS!

Now, prior to that, in the Nixon into Ford into Carter era, it was MALAISE on steroids, with poverty, acid rain, rusty cars, the LOVE CANAL (Nixon actually was an environmental President of sorts, he started the EPA and recognized that the environment would be a future issue--one of the few things he did "right" even though he was politically motivated), rampant inflation that got really bad under Ford's short tenure, gas shortages and even-odd gas rationing under Carter with the "energy crisis" as the media termed it, along with a reemphasis on ethics and a paring back of wasteful spending, which was the best thing to come out of the era but unfortunately was tossed out the window when the DESERT ONE mess happened (failed hostage rescue) and Reagan came in.

Reagan talked a lot about shrinking government down (to the Norquistian size where it could be drowned in the bathtub) but while his administration classified CATSUP as a VEGETABLE in school lunch programs, he spent BILLIONS and BILLIONS on the Department of Defense, building up a six hundred ship Navy (that was quickly--and painfully, in terms of the number of personnel who were shitcanned-- cut in half as soon as his ass was out the door) and spending money we didn't have, hand over fist, on that ****ing waste of money, Star Wars, and the B-1 bomber and a host of idiotic defense expenditures (while paying lip service to the troops, but not improving barracks or facilities for them in any meaningful way--CLINTON did that).

There's no "final shoe." There will be a period of equilibrium after we get through this mess, and then, years later, the same crap will happen, in perhaps a different way. My advice to you as a (relative)youngster--don't neglect the savings account, don't buy more house than you can afford, or more car than you can afford, if you invest in the stock market, look at it as legalized gambling, and be liberal in your thinking, but conservative, or at least sensible, in your investment practices. Remember--if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

A trip down memory lane, for some: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JZp215Bgyk

That's enough.

There's more of them if you want to remember that high unemployment, double-diget inflation, and 20%+ interest rates that Nixon and Ford handed to Carter (according to the DUmmies).     It won't be long until they claim that the hostages in Iran were already there when Carter took office.

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[Ogre]

Hey DUmpmonkey I enlisted in 1980, due in part to Carter.     Carter was a loser in economics, foreign policy, and military spending.  Uncle Ronnie had an out****ingstanding grasp of domestic and foreign policy, a need for strong military capability, and understood the average American was tired of politics as usual in D.C.

[Carl]

Then candidate-for-VP Bush has some underhanded dealings with the Iranians, promise them a better deal the longer they keep the hostages and make Carter look ineffectual. Now had some FBI been trailing him and spilled the beans on his talks with the Iranians, that could have sunk Reagan right there.

This stupid nonsense first came up in the 80s from some nutball of that day claiming he actually went to Iran just before the election.
He called the whole conspiracy theory "the octopus" and it was easily debunked way back then.
That these idiots still are sold on it shows the level of their deluded idiocy.

I do remember those days prior to election day with Carter nearly in tears as he knew what was coming.
The only worry that we had at home was that in his frantic efforts to get the hostages released (I believe this is where the term October surprise originated) he would sell the country out.

I attended the FFA convention in Kansas City in November of 1981,a year later and one of the hostages was a speaker.
He said there was one and only one reason they were ever released and that was Ronald Reagan.
The Iranians knew what was coming and didn`t want any part of it.