Question: Should vets be given priority for jobs?

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panader0  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 06:35 PM
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Question: Should vets be given priority for jobs?
On the advice of a fellow DUer, I called the census folks and set up an interview and test. They asked me if I was a vet. No, I said, does it make a difference? Yes was the reply, vets get 5% extra on the tests. I'm not really worried, I do well on tests, but is it fair?

 

Buncha posts from ancient dinosaur libs pissed off that they couldn't get CO status during Viet Nam follow.

Donnachaidh  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 06:38 PM
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2. not in this economy, no. n/t

sarge43  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 06:51 PM
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14. Most, if not all, gov't jobs give vets priority. It's called incentive.
 Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 06:53 PM by sarge43
Do you believe even we volunteers gave up a fair share of our civil rights and a few human rights, became in effect indentured servants, put up with crap conditions and minimum wage, never knew from one day to the next what we'd be doing and where we'd be doing it, short changed our families when we were able to have one and if we were unlucky got turned into hamburger helper just for stuff and grins? Vets better get at least a few bennies or you won't have any.

JVS  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 06:54 PM
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17. No. Compensation for military service should come from gov. bennies, not shafting those who...
 were not in the military.

TahitiNut  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. You don't know what "shafting" is, apparently.

 

JVS  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. VA, GI Bill for college, in many cases pensions, fine. But saying extra points on test is BS
 Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 07:07 PM by JVS
Our military recruits people while claiming to be a good opportunity to gain expertise. To then categorize those who have been in the organization as disadvantaged and in need of being spotted extra points. And I've had friends killed earning that college money, so you can take your assessment of who knows what the shaft is and shove it.

cliffordu  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
44. What happened to you???
 You used to know what were talking about and even when I vehemently disagreed I respected your command of your stance.

Your argument is completely backwards. The recruiters lie. Usable skills out of the military is almost always a fantasy.

If you don't understand what happens to someones social construct when they are in the military, combat or not, I guess your points might make sense.

People got bachelors degrees during the 4 years I was in.....


The military ruins a LOT of momentum towards a career. Vets deserve a leg up.

I NEVER got a job because I got preferrential treatment due to veteran's status.

scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 08:34 PM
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48. " I NEVER got a job because I got preferrential treatment due to veteran's status." Okay, but I LOST
 Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 08:35 PM by scarletwoman
a job due to veteran preferance. I scored 100% on the Post Office employment test, but I couldn't get hired as a permanent worker because of the 10 point veteran preference.

I was a single mother trying desperately to find decent employment. I finally had to give up my house and relocate because that Post Office job was my last viable option for being able to stay where I was living.

Not saying vets don't deserve a leg up, but their "leg up" did nothing but piss on me.

cliffordu  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. You have my undying sympathy. 
 You can have my purple heart, too.

Maybe you won't be so bitter if you piss on that to get even.

scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. I'm not bitter. I made it through being homeless. I made it through digging for lost change under 
 the floor mats of my car in the hope of finding one more nickel so I could buy a quart of milk for my toddler.

The reason I was a single mom was because I had the temerity to leave my abusive alcoholic army veteran husband after 10 years of trying desperately to "help" him. I'm a Vietnam vet, too, just of a different sort.

scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. I didn't want a medal. I just wanted a decent job after scoring 100% on the test.
 Honest, I'm NOT bitter. It was all long ago, and I've survived and moved on from those desperate days. My kids are grown and on their own and doing fine. I'm doing fine now, too.

The truth is, it DID piss me off at the time. I lost my house because I couldn't get a decent job. I spent months tent camping in state parks with my youngest kid until I could find a place I could afford -- my oldest kid was taken in by the family of one his friends.

The truth is, I wanted a single mother preference. I didn't see that as unreasonable.

Urban Prairie (217 posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 07:03 PM
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25. They do at the USPS
 About a dozen vets who took the postal examination at the same time that I did, were hired with lower test scores than me, and MORE than a year sooner. I eventually figured that I was not going to get hired after a year passed, then after about another 9 months passed, I was offered a casual (temporary) job by the USPS, which I turned down, since I was already making more than 6 bucks an hour. After ANOTHER 6 months passed I was finally offered a permanent job as a part-time flexible, which I accepted.

The timing of my being hired did affect my chances for becoming a FT regular for quite a few years more than average at the facility that I worked in. Was it fair that they got veteran preference? I suppose that they thought so, but as far as their work ethic, it wasn't any better or worse than the employees who never served in the military, IMO.

 

FarCenter (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 07:45 PM
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38. If they were in combat, yes
 Otherwise, no.

There should be a difference between serving in an infantry company in Afghanistan versus serving in a country where there is no combat going on or in a branch that is not exposed to danger.

 

scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 07:54 PM
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41. I scored 100% on the Post Office test in 1993 but I couldn't get hired as a permanent worker because
 Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 08:00 PM by scarletwoman
of the 10 point preference given to vets. Truth is, it really pissed me off. I was a single mother living in a rural area who really needed that job. The only reason I was a single mother was because I had to leave my abusive alcoholic army veteran husband, who subsequently disappeared and paid no child support.

I wondered why the hell there wasn't a single mother preference. Is raising the next generation less important than signing on to be the muscle for Imperialism?

 

 


 

[djones520]

Ayup...  7 years as a Weather Forecaster and counting.  Nothing usable there on the outside.

[Mike220]

Damage Controlman: Firefighting, metal fabrication, plumbing/pipefitting, carpentry... Not to mention collateral duties and quals... Nothing usable there. And it didn't get me my first job as a carpenters apprentice when I got out...

Yup, there's no market for any of those anymore...  

[Servonaut]

cliffordu  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 08:21 PM

 Usable skills out of the military is almost always a fantasy.

I'm in my 22nd year doing something I learned how to do in the military DUmbass.    

On edit: 22nd doesn't sound right.

I've been working for 22 years at a job I learned how to do in the military.

[Chris_]

I'm in my 22nd year doing something I learned how to do in the military DUmbass.    

On edit: 22nd doesn't sound right.

I've been working for 22 years at a job I learned how to do in the military.

Same thing for my brother -- he did 6 years in AF and took his job in Radar Systems to the private sector where he has worked for 25 years or so.

[Rebel]

My job as 74G, Telecommunications Computer Operator/Maintainer seems to have worked out quite well for me.

[Chris_]

Actually, the answer is "for OUR vets, yes."  In fact "Hell yes."

[Airwolf]

When your day to day job at Mickey D's means you have to learn to run patrols in the DMZ in Korea or learn to jump 90-120 feet from the air out of a helicopter or fly a multi million dollar aircraft hoping some jackhole with a MANPADS doesn't take you down, then let us know if you think that you have equal standing with a VET.

When your broke ass is standing watch on some ships deck in the middle of the Atlantic on a ship picthing all over the place or travelling half way across the world to help victims of some disaster that struck a country that would sooner go to war with us then take our aid then feel free to try and compare our jobs.


When your welfare leaches drive 60 ton armored vehicles across the desert sands in the hot July sun for 30 days training your ass off without one day off or doing it for real then feel free to compare what you do to us just don't expect the rational thinking people to stop laughing their ever loving asses off at you.

[docstew]

Ayup...  7 years as a Weather Forecaster and counting.  Nothing usable there on the outside.

10 years holding an EMT-B license, applying to PA school, nothing usable there either

[jukin]

No.  I think the welfare recipients should be immediately put to hard labor and defending the border.  The veterans have earned a rest on the former freeeeeeeeee money the lazy f*cks were getting..and their free apartments.

Just my two cents.

[JohnnyReb]

But they're perfectly fine with "Affirmative Action"- nuff said.

[miskie]

scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #44

48. " I NEVER got a job because I got preferrential treatment due to veteran's status." Okay, but I LOST
 Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 08:35 PM by scarletwoman
a job due to veteran preferance. I scored 100% on the Post Office employment test, but I couldn't get hired as a permanent worker because of the 10 point veteran preference.

I was a single mother trying desperately to find decent employment. I finally had to give up my house and relocate because that Post Office job was my last viable option for being able to stay where I was living.

Not saying vets don't deserve a leg up, but their "leg up" did nothing but piss on me.

Boing..Boing...Boing..

Even back in the 90's when she took the test (battery 470) this claim wasn't accurate. The battery produces a range of scores in different crafts based on a crapload of criteria. This statement makes claim that she scored perfectly as a lettercarrier, clerk, mail handler, machine operator, Markups (the folks who put the yellow stickers on your mail) and a couple of others.

Therefore, her perfect score was outbid by vets in every single category.

Not. Very. Likely.

[Crazy Horse]

The recruiters lie. Usable skills out of the military is almost always a fantasy.

Damn...............I was a Navy Instrumentman for 6 1/2 years (Physical/Dimensional Metrology), been doing that job for the past 18 years now for private companies..........a goverment contractor for the US Navy and US Air Force (PMEL)..........now an unemployed employed goverment civilian

I'm also an ISO 9001 certified Lead Auditor..............and all this comes from what I learned in the military

And yes I got 10 prefrence points for the goverment........................ DUmbass IDJITS

[Chris_]

JVS  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 06:54 PM
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17. No. Compensation for military service should come from gov. bennies, not shafting those like me who...
 were not in the military never had the balls to take my turn in harms way, and don't have marketable skills sufficient to make my lazy, pot smoking, stupid ass preferrable over a proven self-starting, aggressive, mission oriented go-getter with a military background.

Fixed, to inject the truth into the whining.

[AllosaursRus]

scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #44

48. " I NEVER got a job because I got preferrential treatment due to veteran's status." Okay, but I LOST
 Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 08:35 PM by scarletwoman
a job due to veteran preferance. I scored 100% on the Post Office employment test, but I couldn't get hired as a permanent worker because of the 10 point veteran preference.

I was a single mother trying desperately to find decent employment. I finally had to give up my house and relocate because that Post Office job was my last viable option for being able to stay where I was living.

Not saying vets don't deserve a leg up, but their "leg up" did nothing but piss on me.

I know for a fact this is total BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

"Toots", my beloved for over 36 years, worked for over 5 years as a temporary PO carrier. The only reason she could never get hired permanent was because the military and civil service got first dibs!

This POS is talkin' out it's ass!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chris_]

I know for a fact this is total BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

"Toots", my beloved for over 36 years, worked for over 5 years as a temporary PO carrier. The only reason she could never get hired permanent was because the military and civil service got first dibs!

This POS is talkin' out it's ass!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm surprised you're suprised, sir.  After all, "DUmmies lie.  All the time, DUmmies lie."

[AllosaursRus]

DAMN!!!!!!!

I swear, I'm getting to the point, I'm going to have to bail myself outa jail, cause I'm just going to have to kick the livvin' shit out of a DUmmie if I ever run into one!

Unless of course I can convince the powers that be, it was justifiable extermination!

[Chris_]

DAMN!!!!!!!

I swear, I'm getting to the point, I'm going to have to bail myself outa jail, cause I'm just going to have to kick the livvin' shit out of a DUmmie if I ever run into one!

Unless of course I can convince the powers that be, it was justifiable extermination!

Just tell the judge he looked like the chick on the warrant, and he was shot resisting arrest.

[AllosaursRus]

I'm surprised you're surprised, sir.  After all, "DUmmies lie.  All the time, DUmmies lie."

Oh, I'm not surprised! Just disgusted some low life would lie about the bennies you deserve when you serve your country!

[Mike220]

Oh, I'm not surprised! Just disgusted some low life would lie about the bennies you deserve when you serve your country!

Don't forget, these are the type of people that smile and nod their heads when scum "artists" (and I use that term loosely) such as Ted Rall draws serviceman as baby killing, women raping Nazis. 

[rich_t]

Veterans should be the only ones allowed to vote.

 

[Rebel]

I'm surprised you're suprised, sir.  After all, "DUmmies lie.  All the time, DUmmies lie."

I'm amazed at how Frank's catch phrase has take off. 

[TheSarge]

FarCenter (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-19-09 07:45 PM
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38. If they were in combat, yes
 Otherwise, no.

There should be a difference between serving in an infantry company in Afghanistan versus serving in a country where there is no combat going on or in a branch that is not exposed to danger.

Hey jack@ss...EVERY branch of service is in the middle of combat these days.

Doubt me?  Look up "Asymmetrical Warfare"

[TheSarge]

When your day to day job at Mickey D's means you have to learn to run patrols in the DMZ in Korea or learn to jump 90-120 feet from the air out of a helicopter or fly a multi million dollar aircraft hoping some jackhole with a MANPADS doesn't take you down, then let us know if you think that you have equal standing with a VET.

When your broke ass is standing watch on some ships deck in the middle of the Atlantic on a ship picthing all over the place or travelling half way across the world to help victims of some disaster that struck a country that would sooner go to war with us then take our aid then feel free to try and compare our jobs.


When your welfare leaches drive 60 ton armored vehicles across the desert sands in the hot July sun for 30 days training your ass off without one day off or doing it for real then feel free to compare what you do to us just don't expect the rational thinking people to stop laughing their ever loving asses off at you.

Couldn't say it any better myself.  Hi5

[TheSarge]

cliffordu  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-19-09 08:21 PM

 Usable skills out of the military is almost always a fantasy.

I came into the Army in 1992 with a useable skill.

That same useable skill has provided me with more success...money...and accolades INSIDE the military than it ever did outside the service.

Suck on that one DUmmie.